Donald Trump

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Not disagreeing with you but Crazy Reagan's era lead to the Berlin Wall coming down. Has a decent man like Obama brought a safer world?

Nope. He's totally hamstrung by Amerika's dumb gun law lobbyists and the legacy of Dubya. Too many vested interests in that rotten country. In the end Team America: World Police contains WAY too many rogue cops.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Not disagreeing with you but Crazy Reagan's era lead to the Berlin Wall coming down. Has a decent man like Obama brought a safer world?

Trump is off the scale compared to Reagan. Also I'm not sure which version of history it was where Reagan had any influence in the fall of the Berlin wall, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the one that actually happened.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Trump is off the scale compared to Reagan. Also I'm not sure which version of history it was where Reagan had any influence in the fall of the Berlin wall, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the one that actually happened.

Wasn't it the version whereby the Reagan administration invented (or at least said they invented) some kind of Star Wars sub-orbital weapons capability (SDI?) that the Soviet Union couldn't match and they more or less held their hands up and laid down their arms and their wall. Seem to recall that version of events at the time.

 

[looney]

I don't think you have thought this through have you.

What Trump has done is directly reinforcing a fear of Muslims who already live in the US which could lead to them being abused, physically attacked, and even killed. It’s not the ones who want to immigrate to the US that he has hurt; it’s the ones who live in the US who have to deal with a backlash from his words against them.

His policy is irrelevant, he is not the president, but his words are irresponsible and could lead to repercussions.

Ah, theold "you will only make things worse" argument

None of that happened when President Carter banned Iranians and kicked out Iranian students
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...orted-iranian-students-during-hostage-crisis/

But none

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The Huffington Post have the right idea

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...nald-trumps-campaign_55a8fc9ce4b0896514d0fd66

If anyone has a Twitter account, search for #TrumpFacts where Britains have responded to his accusations about us. It's hilarious.
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[looney]

so on that basis he should be advocating the expulsion of every other demographic associated with those that go on a shooting spree. a handful of extremist christians that shoot up their local school or cinema for example outweigh the benefits of all others of the similar faith, right?

Wrong. We are dealing with Scale, scope and target.and how long taking an apologist approach remains politically tenable.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Wasn't it the version whereby the Reagan administration invented (or at least said they invented) some kind of Star Wars sub-orbital weapons capability (SDI?) that the Soviet Union couldn't match and they more or less held their hands up and laid down their arms and their wall. Seem to recall that version of events at the time.

Is this serious? It's been a long day but I'm guessing you're joking.

#woosh

 

[looney]

My former partner is one of the Chief probation officers in the UK. As of March this year, the quota of of white people in our jails or on probation was circa 67% white. Your argument holds no ground for a solution. I have said in previous posts. What you and others are saying is not inaccurate. IT IS JUST NOT A SOLUTION

It is a policy of containment and does ramp things up. Its not just America thats drifting this way, Trump is just a vocal embodiment of it, the whole world is. Was watching a doc yesterday of the vioence in the Central African Republic and the Christians there havebegan to Organise and kick back against Islamic Aggression, saw asimilar thing on an Indonesian Island. This shits global.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Is this serious? It's been a long day but I'm guessing you're joking.

Nope, it happened...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

 

[LlcoolJ]

I know all about "Star Wars" it's just that it had precisely nothing to do with the fall of the USSR (and the wall with it).

 

[symyjym]

Not disagreeing with you but Crazy Reagan's era lead to the Berlin Wall coming down. Has a decent man like Obama brought a safer world?

The Obama era is dealing with the chaos left by Bush and the old neo con regime, and to a degree he has had to go along with previous policies overlapping into his reign. For example the failed Syrian Coup d’état’ we see today was well in motion by the time he came into office. There has been a plot to destabilise Syria before 2007. http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-need-to-answer-before-bombing-isis-or-assad

Obama was forced to use the rhetoric for Assad to step down, but with all the Gulf States wanting the Syrian regime bombed, he wisely stopped short of using airstrikes because of the lessons he learnt from Libya.

His policy of keeping US ground troops out of the Middle East, unless invited by a sovereign state, is the the only way forward.

 

[looney]

Wasn't it the version whereby the Reagan administration invented (or at least said they invented) some kind of Star Wars sub-orbital weapons capability (SDI?) that the Soviet Union couldn't match and they more or less held their hands up and laid down their arms and their wall. Seem to recall that version of events at the time.

Collapse of the Soviet Union had more to do with the failings of communism than anything Reagan said, although it may have helped them on the way by realising how clapped out their system was.

 

[Stato]

What Trump is saying is the risks outweigh the benefits.

And he applies this 'risk outweighs the benefits' test to his opinions consistently doesn't he?

http://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/

Oops, I guess he doesn't:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

Perhaps he has taken the unusual step of not giving his opinion an awful lot of analysis, but instead assumed that his first, emotional response must be correct? But surely this would make him a reactionary populist blowhard who just feeds the desire for simple solutions to very complex problems.

If I believed in conspiracy theories there is an argument to be made that Trump is a plant by the Clinton campaign.

It was widely reported that Romney lost the last election because of a failure to attract Black, Hispanic and female voters in a demographically shifted America. Trump is anathema to these groups and continues to make statements that hardens this position.
61% of Americans will never vote for him: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-country-wouldnt-consider-voting-for-him/.
If he is the Republican candidate they would need to take every last person who has not down right refused to consider voting for him to get 39%. They still probably wouldn't win as that is still 4% short of the lowest percentage achieved by a recent winning president.
That president who scraped home with 43% was Bill Clinton. How did he win with such a small percentage?
- Because the vote was split by a third candidate, charismatic billionaire Ross Perot.
Who is the only Republican runner who has indicated that he may run as a third candidate if he doesn't get the nomination?
- Donald Trump. Who, is also the only red candidate who donated to Hilary's 2008 presidential campaign.

I'm messing about, but the basic fact seems to be that whether the GOP chooses him, or rejects him, he is quite likely to cost them the next election.

 

[symyjym]

Ah, theold "you will only make things worse" argument

None of that happened when President Carter banned Iranians and kicked out Iranian students
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...orted-iranian-students-during-hostage-crisis/

But none

Ah bless, the old Googling for 45 mins to try and find some loose comparison to a different event.

Jimmy Carter Banned Iranians from US, Deported Iranian Students During Hostage Crisis.

This was Carters reaction to a current event. He didn't use it a year in advance of his election campaign.

It was also directed at one country, not Muslims.

School Report: Nice try but could do better.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Just in case anybody's been living in a cave today...

The signatories believe Donald J Trump should be banned from UK entry.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Just in case anybody's been living in a cave today...

The signatories believe Donald J Trump should be banned from UK entry.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

All a waste of time. Osbourne has already said in parliament he will not banned from the UK for those that are interested.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/09/petition-calling-for-donald-trump-to-be-banned-from-uk-signed-by-85000

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

All a waste of time. Osbourne has already said in parliament he will not banned from the UK for those that are interested.

Yeah, well, never expected it to be anything else really, any more than the million people marching on the streets of London in the run up to the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. That's how we roll in the UK, we vote then we get totally ignored til next time. Fcku it, it's a moral signature gesture. On a more immediate level, if Herr Trumpf gets let in, kitchen staff can always gob in his coffee and shit in his burgers.

 

[symyjym]

Yeah, well, never expected it to be anything else really, any more than the million people marching on the streets of London in the run up to the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. That's how we roll in the UK, we vote then we get totally ignored til next time. Fcku it, it's a moral signature gesture. On a more immediate level, if Herr Trumpf gets let in, kitchen staff can always gob in his coffee and shit in his burgers.

Interesting to see it getting 27,705 signatures in the last hour. Current total 278,334 signatures.

Would rather people boycott his product and brand so he lost his fortune and Trump Tower though.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Yeah, well, never expected it to be anything else really, any more than the million people marching on the streets of London in the run up to the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. That's how we roll in the UK, we vote then we get totally ignored til next time. Fcku it, it's a moral signature gesture. On a more immediate level, if Herr Trumpf gets let in, kitchen staff can always gob in his coffee and shit in his burgers.

Your right about how we get totally ignored. Everything is done to keep us little people in our places, until the next bunch of politicians arrive to F things up all over again. Frustration whatever side you are on. Personally this Trump thing doesn't bother me.

 

[Soulman]

I don't think you have thought this through have you.

What Trump has done is directly reinforcing a fear of Muslims who already live in the US which could lead to them being abused, physically attacked, and even killed. It’s not the ones who want to immigrate to the US that he has hurt; it’s the ones who live in the US who have to deal with a backlash from his words against them.

His policy is irrelevant, he is not the president, but his words are irresponsible and could lead to repercussions.

You could be correct but recent searches in France have turned up worrying things.
A number of sources have printed, this is probably the least worrying report.

"France has shut down three mosques since the terror attacks in Paris, marking the first time the places of worship have been closed “on grounds of radicalisation”.

The mosques have been shut down as part of a crackdown on extremist activities.
One mosque was targeted by raids early on Wednesday where police seized a 9mm revolver, a computer hard disk and jihadist propaganda. The owner of the revolver has been arrested.
Last week two mosques, one in Lyon and one in the Paris suburb of Gennevilliers, were shut down, the first to be closed “on grounds of radicalisation,” Cazeneuve said.

He added that police have raided 2,235 homes and buildings, taken 232 people into custody, and seized 334 weapons – 34 of which were war-grade - since the brutal attacks on 13 November that saw 130 people killed in the French capital.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...e-mosques-in-security-crackdown-a6757596.html

Or.
http://news.yahoo.com/france-closes-radical-mosque-big-police-raid-182353017.html

Or if you prefer Aljazeera....
""According to official figures and our discussions with the interior ministry, between 100 and 160 more mosques will be closed because they are run illegally without proper licenses, they preach hatred, or use takfiri speech," he said.