Does it make you racist if..................

[User removed 4]

You may have a problem there. Over of a 3rd of Singapore's population are 'foreign' workers, predominantly English speaking, not to mention the vast number of temporary workers. Of the 'local' population the majority are of Chinese descent followed by a fairly even number of citizens of Malay and Indian descent. What if people that follow the native Malay culture didn't accept your kids?

I live in Vietnam. I have Vietnamese friends but the majority of my friends are 'foreigners'. I speak terrible Vietnamese. I respect the local culture but also complain about certain aspects of it. Am I a terrible person?

why would it be a problem ? unfortunately your little "trick" post didnt quite work out how you intended, as for complaining about the local culture ? i think the local vietnamese are quite within their rights to tell you to "f*** off if you dont like it".

 

[BadFish]

do you really think the pakistanis in large communities in cities and mill towns all over england reall respect our cuture ?? a significant number have lived here for years and still cant speak the language, that increases sizeably if you include the wives.

Maybe they have just been called Paki's too many times. It takes accecptance and respect on both sides. Something which is sadly lacking in many parts of the world. Teaching children to respect all cultures including their own could help with this.

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[User removed 4]

Maybe they have just been called Paki's too many times. It takes accecptance and respect on both sides. Something which is sadly lacking in many parts of the world. Teaching children to respect all cultures including their own could help with this.

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No badfish, i disagree mate , i lived in bow for a couple of years , the bangladeshis there just want their own little mini bangladesh , but with the benefits of the welfare state thrown in.

 

[Bakero]

why would it be a problem ? unfortunately your little "trick" post didnt quite work out how you intended, as for complaining about the local culture ? i think the local vietnamese are quite within their rights to tell you to "f*** off if you dont like it".

My point was that in Singapore there's not a homogeneous culture to adapt to. Also sometimes local populations aren't particularly welcoming to immigrants. Of course in your view locals shouldn't bear any responsibility, immigrants should adapt or f*** off.

Sometimes it's not that simple. In some societies immigrants are unable to integrate. I will always be 'Tay' (western) in Vietnam. If I had kids here, they'd be tay. Their kids would be tay. In England we are certainly better at integrating immigrants but there's room for improvement- especially amongst some individuals.

When I said I have complained about certain aspects of the local culture, really I'm referring to certain behaviour. As a resident I have a right to an opinion, just as immigrants to the UK have a right to their view.

 

[BadFish]

No badfish, i disagree mate , i lived in bow for a couple of years , the bangladeshis there just want their own little mini bangladesh , but with the benefits of the welfare state thrown in.

I live in geelong were many many cultures live together happily. In fact on sunday i am going to take part in the Pako Festa and celebrate the cultural heritige of my society by drinking dancing and enjoying what other people have to offer. The Festa is enjoying it's 30th year.

What is the difference between Bow and Geelong? Why does it work here and not there? I don't know the answers but i believe that it is good will and respect on both sides. There is much water gone under the bridge, much said and done on both side to seperate cultures in parts of the uk and that cannot be undone over night.

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[User removed 4]

I live in geelong were many many cultures live together happily. In fact on sunday i am going to take part in the Pako Festa and celebrate the cultural heritige of my society by drinking dancing and enjoying what other people have to offer. The Festa is enjoying it's 30th year.

What is the difference between Bow and Geelong? Why does it work here and not there? I don't know the answers but i believe that it is good will and respect on both sides. There is much water gone under the bridge, much said and done on both side to seperate cultures in parts of the uk and that cannot be undone over night.

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geelongs a lot f***ing warmer for a start

 

[Bold Seagull]

No badfish, i disagree mate , i lived in bow for a couple of years , the bangladeshis there just want their own little mini bangladesh , but with the benefits of the welfare state thrown in.

Which is why [MENTION=1313]BadFish[/MENTION] stated that it takes acceptance and respect on both sides. No one is saying that prejudice is one way, and clearly there is a problem with foreign cultures which don't wish to integrate staying in their own insular communities.

However this does not make them right, and for all sides to move forward, I agree with Badfish that it will take education and a change in attitude from all parties to achieve some form of harmony within our cities especially.

 

[airman]

Paki is only ever used in a derogatory way and is a term of hate used to classify any Indian, Bangledeshi, Pakistani etc person... and is a term used to brown people....
I have never heard the word Paki used as a term of endearment... just as a pure insult

No no no. I accept that it has been / does get used as you describe. But I don't accept that it is racist to refer to someone who you know is of Pakistan origin. And yes, it can be used as a term of endearment - although that would be between friends who are comfortable with the boundaries (example- Prince Harry and his 'Little Paki Friend').

Of course, calling someone from India a 'Paki' is particularly upsetting to them due to the tensions between India and Pakistan.

The term 'Paki shop', accepted it's used indescriminantly (ha!) to describe any store owned by someone of Asian origin, however it has become synonymous with a shop that stocks everything you could possibly want, and is open all hours. Due to the hard work of the people who own and run it. Surely that's a good stereotype?

 

[marshy68]

Not matter what context a word like ni**er , pa*i is racist...

A word like black for e.g that black bloke i dont see as racist

would you that white bloke?

 

[Seagull kimchi]

These people or at least their forebears also chose to come and settle here, my problem is where they see themselves first and foremost as pakistani british or nigerian british or whatever, i worked with australians who were born here of english parents and can actually remember living here , but they saw themselves as totally australian, not even with a small nod to their ancestry, "retaining heritage" as you put it,by defining yourself as "ethnic british" makes for piss poor social cohesion.

Yes they CHOSE to come here and CHOSE to retain aspects of their heritage and the British government CHOSE to accept them for less than altruistic reasons, what's your problem with this? It's not like they have done anything illegal.
So under your logic, were the all people living in the colonies expected to consider themselves as 'Totally British' 200 years ago?

 

[BensGrandad]

IMHO the continued reference to racism in sport etc is doing more harm than good by bringing it to the forefront. I don't know the exact answer but I would suggest that it is less prevalent with less problems now than 20 years ago.

 

[User removed 4]

Yes they CHOSE to come here and CHOSE to retain aspects of their heritage and the British government CHOSE to accept them for less than altruistic reasons, what's your problem with this? It's not like they have done anything illegal.
So under your logic, were the all people living in the colonies expected to consider themselves as 'Totally British' 200 years ago?

So you think the country should be run like a charity ?? and what on earth are you on about the colonies 200 years ago ?? it bears no relevance whatsoever to the problems we face today, and the people i'm talking about chose to do a little bit more than "retain some of their heritage"

 

[Bakero]

and what on earth are you on about the colonies 200 years ago ?? it bears no relevance whatsoever to the problems we face today

No relevance? Seriously?

 

[User removed 4]

No relevance? Seriously?

Yes , seriously, empire happened, it's gone and some of the people who campaigned so tirelessly for the british to disengage , then chose to come here , get over it, if they have such a problem with colonialism it's a strange choice to come here.

 

[Bakero]

Yes , seriously, empire happened, it's gone and some of the people who campaigned so tirelessly for the british to disengage , then chose to come here , get over it, if they have such a problem with colonialism it's a strange choice to come here.

Fair enough, it happened and I agree people should look to the future. However, history still affects the present.

Immigrants from Bangladesh came here because of colonialism. Bangladesh is Bangladesh because of colonialism. You've mentioned that they don't want to integrate- I'm fairly sure they weren't given the warmest of welcomes when they arrived in the 70s. According to this thread some people still think it's ok to call them Pakis now.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Fair enough, it happened and I agree people should look to the future.

I think I've made this point to Bushy before but as an old bore I'll make it again. Mass immigration is here, it's a fact, it's isn't going away - ever. A more constructive use of one's time would seem to be addressing how we integrate better rather than bemoaning the fact that we don't.

 

[User removed 4]

I think I've made this point to Bushy before but as an old bore I'll make it again. Mass immigration is here, it's a fact, it's isn't going away - ever. A more constructive use of one's time would seem to be addressing how we integrate better rather than bemoaning the fact that we don't.

i think i've replied as well agreeing with you re: commonwealth immigration, integrating better wouldbe achieved by abandoning the whole policy of multiculturalism, i'm afraid i espouse a " fit in or f*** off, like it or lump it" policy, there are people who have lived here since the 60's who still require interpreters , FORCE them to f***ing learn english, they'll soon learn if they cant use services due to language deficiencies.

 

[BadFish]

i think i've replied as well agreeing with you re: commonwealth immigration, integrating better wouldbe achieved by abandoning the whole policy of multiculturalism, i'm afraid i espouse a " fit in or f*** off, like it or lump it" policy, there are people who have lived here since the 60's who still require interpreters , FORCE them to f***ing learn english, they'll soon learn if they cant use services due to language deficiencies.

What exactly are they fitting into? British culture is wide ranging and has been influenced by many other cultures over the centuries. I don't really understand what it is that imigrants are expected to do. I do know one thing, that if I started strolling round Geelong telling everyone I was a True Blue Aussie they would say "f*** off you are a Pom". But i honestly wouldn't know where to start being 'Aussie'. All i can really do is respect their culture and expect them to respect mine. To me multiculturalism isn't particularly hard. It is just about seeing people as equal and respecting them. There are tossbags in every culture but you don't have to judge whole swathes of people but these tossbags.

It's not where you're from, It's where you're at - Ian Brown

Can we take the guff about speaking the language as read, I can't disagree with you about the absurdity of moving to a country and not learning the language. Having said that I lived in Italy for two years and didn't learn as much of the language as I should have done or wish I had. Why because I could get by and I am lazy I suppose.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

i think i've replied as well agreeing with you re: commonwealth immigration, integrating better wouldbe achieved by abandoning the whole policy of multiculturalism, i'm afraid i espouse a " fit in or f*** off, like it or lump it" policy, there are people who have lived here since the 60's who still require interpreters , FORCE them to f***ing learn english, they'll soon learn if they cant use services due to language deficiencies.

You seem to concentrate your arguement on language, or lack of it. What are the other aspects of British culture do you feel immigrant families should adopt?

 

[User removed 4]

What exactly are they fitting into? British culture is wide ranging and has been influenced by many other cultures over the centuries. I don't really understand what it is that imigrants are expected to do. I do know one thing, that if I started strolling round Geelong telling everyone I was a True Blue Aussie they would say "f*** off you are a Pom". But i honestly wouldn't know where to start being 'Aussie'. All i can really do is respect their culture and expect them to respect mine. To me multiculturalism isn't particularly hard. It is just about seeing people as equal and respecting them. There are tossbags in every culture but you don't have to judge whole swathes of people but these tossbags.

It's not where you're from, It's where you're at - Ian Brown

Can we take the guff about speaking the language as read, I can't disagree with you about the absurdity of moving to a country and not learning the language. Having said that I lived in Italy for two years and didn't learn as much of the language as I should have done or wish I had. Why because I could get by and I am lazy I suppose.

And if your grandchildren in 30/40 years time still stroll round referring to themselves as "english australian" and supporting england in the cricket i'm sure people will have something to say about that too, i'm not particularly referring to tossbags like you do, i'm referring to the large majority of concentrated pakistan communities here , that have little or no interaction with the local english population, with regards to you learning little italian, the way english is so commonly spoken around the world makes us lazy.