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[News] Does Donald deserve some credit for getting Kim to the table ?
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Braggfan
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded
- May 12, 2014
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No, I think North Korea's change in attitude is more to do with the unstableness of their test sites and potential inability to reach their military objectives. Trump was declaring that his nuclear button was bigger than North Korea's just a few months ago, those aren't the words of a peace maker.
Uncle Spielberg
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not sure what you mean ?
sir albion
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Trump will never get any credit from the left no matter how much good comes of it.
He may be a bit of a plonker but he cracks on and is making changes unlike the usual establishment bellends who are media ruled!!
He may be a bit of a plonker but he cracks on and is making changes unlike the usual establishment bellends who are media ruled!!
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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Yes, he may deserve some credit but I think it's likely China are probably pulling the NK strings ..
Give Trump a supposed big diplomatic win/moment in history then hold it over him to extract concessions in any trade war.
Cynical moi ..
Give Trump a supposed big diplomatic win/moment in history then hold it over him to extract concessions in any trade war.
Cynical moi ..
Uncle Spielberg
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Bite ?
The_Viper
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If the talks go well, South Korea deserve the praise. If it goes wrong, then yes wholeheartedly blame Trump.
Standard stuff this, blame the bad stuff on him and find someone else to give credit to if anything around him goes well.
Standard stuff this, blame the bad stuff on him and find someone else to give credit to if anything around him goes well.
AZ Gull
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aRE yOU sERIOUS ?
Raleigh Chopper
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Tell me if I am wrong, but is it not the other way round.
One minute they were slagging each other off with Kim bragging about his nukes and Trump calling him Rocket Man.
Then Kim makes a surprise visit to China, first time out of North Korea.
Shortly afterwards Kim says he is prepared to talk and get rid of the nukes, no one seems to know why he went to China or what was discussed.
Trump seems to have made it all about him (surprise surprise) since Kim offered this up.
I hope it all works out, but both are lunatics, lets wait and see.
Half Time Pies
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This isn't the first time North Korea have come to the table and agreed to pause their Nuclear programme in return for aid or the lifting of sanctions so I don't see any reason at the moment to champion Trump as the king of diplomacy.
The fact is that there has been a diplomatic game of poker played out between the US and North Korea since the early 90's with the Nuclear Programme being the North Koreas biggest bargaining chip.
The fact is that there has been a diplomatic game of poker played out between the US and North Korea since the early 90's with the Nuclear Programme being the North Koreas biggest bargaining chip.
vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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Kim and North Korea have managed to struggle on despite numerous sanctions and trade embargo's and have somehow come up with a viable nuclear device and a method of delivering it a very long way. There is nothing Trump can do to dislodge Kim as Supreme Leader and Kim can play Trump and either walk away with an easing of sanctions or stomp off saying he can't do business with the evil Americans, either way it will be dressed up as an away win for Kim.
- Jan 18, 2009
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Indeed, I’m not sure it’s necessarily the “left” but there is a definite lack of objectivity in analysis these days.........
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...-the-chagrin-of-the-dismal-science-2018-06-11
No different to the doom mongers on Brexit.
Weststander
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Let's wait and see, before Trump's many supporters in the USA/UK has something tangible to boast about.
Nothing achieved until North Korea has genuinely disarmed, with no going back.
Nothing achieved until North Korea has genuinely disarmed, with no going back.
Nitram
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- Jul 16, 2013
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As in arrange a face to face when all the other Presidents would not. It's always been N Korea's hope to meet a USA president and in so doing legitimise their place on the world stage as a nuclear power, hence the reason previous presidents would not meet unless something concrete was on the table. Trump has gone steaming in with no such assurities.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Nothings happened yet. What’s the goal anyway? Just meeting’s not especially impressive. We already know both are cocks capable of causing Armageddon and I can’t see that changing anytime soon. Besides why should we trust anything the masters of fake news announce? Sorry Donald, you can’t have your Big Mac and eat it - same goes for your Rocket side-salad friend.
Two cardiac arrests can’t come soon enough I say.
Two cardiac arrests can’t come soon enough I say.