Worried Man Blues
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Weststander
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There's no pleasing sum. You spend your £550 of hard earned net income on a s/t, as well as spending on catering and merchandise. Then moan when all the best players are sold each transfer window, awful to average players are recruited to replace them, you rarely see home goals scored, witness kamikaze defending and you haven't witnessed a league win in months. I don't know.
Been through plenty of highs and lows with our lot, my problem is that after our near miss in the play off's we have gone backwards, and now we just look plain poor.
You pay your hard earned money, so you make your choice whether you want to watch what we are served up at the moment.
I would suggest no matter what bar a miracle we will have 20000 next year, which is 10000 more than I thought we would have in the first place at the amex.
The whole amex experience is relatively expensive at the moment, and if we are really losing all this money, where is it going, cause there will be no money to invest in decent players, and we will have to put up with what we have.
After saturday i felt quite sorry for Hypia, as you can only play with the cards you are given, and what he has now aint good in anyones imagination.
I would guess if we lose at home to Wigan his time will be limited, but with limited budgets who's the next man in the seat?
Lets be honest if we have a £10k-£15k a week wage cap on players, you ain't gonna attract anyone good in this league, its sad but true.
You pay your hard earned money, so you make your choice whether you want to watch what we are served up at the moment.
I would suggest no matter what bar a miracle we will have 20000 next year, which is 10000 more than I thought we would have in the first place at the amex.
The whole amex experience is relatively expensive at the moment, and if we are really losing all this money, where is it going, cause there will be no money to invest in decent players, and we will have to put up with what we have.
After saturday i felt quite sorry for Hypia, as you can only play with the cards you are given, and what he has now aint good in anyones imagination.
I would guess if we lose at home to Wigan his time will be limited, but with limited budgets who's the next man in the seat?
Lets be honest if we have a £10k-£15k a week wage cap on players, you ain't gonna attract anyone good in this league, its sad but true.
c0lz
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burrish-gull
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- Mar 24, 2009
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The football club I've supported since 1974 has lost its soul, end of conversation.......
portslade seagull
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I have another complaint. We are just as slow in the build up as we were under Oscar. I missed a few games and you guys were all raving about our attacking play and new style. I get back to watch last Saturday and the game yesterday and I reckon we may have even broken quicker last year than we do now. So apart from looking clueless we are at least as slow in the build up and less effective once we get there for players to have ridiculously hopeful attempts on goal from outside the box
Not only broke quicker Icy but I think under Oscar we would have won yesterday
I've missed the last few games with work. Yesterday was my first game in a while.
I was livid as to why colunga who looked useful had to play on the wing, why him and Baldock had to come so deep to get the ball, that Calde is being asked to play a position he cannot play instead of one he has done very very successfully at this level for a number of years.
Ince is asked to cover when we are attacked on the break with not so strong in the tackle JFC and headless chicken Gardener being asked to win the midfield battle and be the creative outlet to no avail.
These are not bad players. The only player who had a shocker was COG but he was listed less than three months in to his time here being asked to play in a system which catogorically doesn't work.
Defending is slack. Their goal was so poor, we let their player have space for a touch and then a placed shot six yards out. Ive never wanted a manager out before but if yesterdays game was an inprovement something is desperately wrong.
Point of order: Burke AFAIK has nothing to do with out going players and has managed to budget several excellent signings - kush, ups on, ward on loan, ulloa, Orlandi and has signed players like March, Once, Walton, Starky to contracts. He is good at what he does. He manages a budget which PB sets - we have to pay certain things before paying for signings. Allocation is his role. The money to be divided comes from TB. So PB and DB have little to do with how much is given since hands are tied up. Bloom has built and grown several businesses. I doubt his choice in manager but I have no right to doubt his choice in how he spends his money. Wed be royally screwed if DK was at the helm - he didn't have enough. Not a criticism of him.
We need to keep things in perspective but in my opinion this squad needs to step up and Hyypia needsto play to the teams strengths or go - he doesn't want to be here.
I was livid as to why colunga who looked useful had to play on the wing, why him and Baldock had to come so deep to get the ball, that Calde is being asked to play a position he cannot play instead of one he has done very very successfully at this level for a number of years.
Ince is asked to cover when we are attacked on the break with not so strong in the tackle JFC and headless chicken Gardener being asked to win the midfield battle and be the creative outlet to no avail.
These are not bad players. The only player who had a shocker was COG but he was listed less than three months in to his time here being asked to play in a system which catogorically doesn't work.
Defending is slack. Their goal was so poor, we let their player have space for a touch and then a placed shot six yards out. Ive never wanted a manager out before but if yesterdays game was an inprovement something is desperately wrong.
Point of order: Burke AFAIK has nothing to do with out going players and has managed to budget several excellent signings - kush, ups on, ward on loan, ulloa, Orlandi and has signed players like March, Once, Walton, Starky to contracts. He is good at what he does. He manages a budget which PB sets - we have to pay certain things before paying for signings. Allocation is his role. The money to be divided comes from TB. So PB and DB have little to do with how much is given since hands are tied up. Bloom has built and grown several businesses. I doubt his choice in manager but I have no right to doubt his choice in how he spends his money. Wed be royally screwed if DK was at the helm - he didn't have enough. Not a criticism of him.
We need to keep things in perspective but in my opinion this squad needs to step up and Hyypia needsto play to the teams strengths or go - he doesn't want to be here.
Been watching since the late 70's, and to be fair mate it was always gonna lose its soul once we got to the amex.
But that's where we all wanted to get to wasn't it?
We stuggled to fill withdean most of the time until the season we went up under poyet, and now we have a whole lot of 'customers' who want value for money.
Remember we booed off poyets team at half time in the fa cup against FC United and he got the arse hole, so people will give their opinion
But that's where we all wanted to get to wasn't it?
We stuggled to fill withdean most of the time until the season we went up under poyet, and now we have a whole lot of 'customers' who want value for money.
Remember we booed off poyets team at half time in the fa cup against FC United and he got the arse hole, so people will give their opinion
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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I've sadly lost interest even as a season ticket holder.
I'd had other things going on which mean I've missed a few, but yesterday I found something else to do.
It's expensive coming down from London and I'm struggling to make the effort. It's only about the football for me and what's been served up is utter dross.
We appear to trying to play a sophisticated system with less sophisticated players than last season.
The club does appear to taken the marketing philosophy of Ryanair, but I avoid all that. I do take issue at the inference that I'm a bad fan because I avoid where I can the expensive "other stuff".
I'd had other things going on which mean I've missed a few, but yesterday I found something else to do.
It's expensive coming down from London and I'm struggling to make the effort. It's only about the football for me and what's been served up is utter dross.
We appear to trying to play a sophisticated system with less sophisticated players than last season.
The club does appear to taken the marketing philosophy of Ryanair, but I avoid all that. I do take issue at the inference that I'm a bad fan because I avoid where I can the expensive "other stuff".
Other than rare instances, like the Archer/Belotti years or the leeds ownership, what common complaints in football can't be boiled down to "we're not winning enough"? Does it make the complaints less valid? The manager is paid to manage a team to get wins, players are paid to play well enough to get wins. When you're not winning as frequently, they will be criticised.
Of course people wouldn't be moaning about some things if we had won more games.
This is like an extension of the discussion I had with Mellotron on a match thread recently (Cardiff, I believe). Results change the context of the games' actions. Errant shots that are wasted possession in games we draw or lose become cheeky 'everyone wants to get in on the act' pot shots if we're winning, goalkeeping errors that cost us two points become goal keeping errors that cost us a clean sheet as we romp to victory and so on.
There is plenty to be concerned with: non scoring strikers, at least one or two defensive cock-ups a game often costing us points, that we are one place outside the relegation zone and performances of late make it seem like we deserve to be there, increasing costs, the worrying trend of decreasing crowds in response to onfield failings and how this will continue in a negative feedback loop as income drops with decreasing attendance, etc.
This 'you wouldn't be complaining if we were winning' is both redundant, and a cynical way to attempt to undermine people who dare express concern with what has actually happened, rather than a hypothetical reversal of reality.
Of course people wouldn't be moaning about some things if we had won more games.
This is like an extension of the discussion I had with Mellotron on a match thread recently (Cardiff, I believe). Results change the context of the games' actions. Errant shots that are wasted possession in games we draw or lose become cheeky 'everyone wants to get in on the act' pot shots if we're winning, goalkeeping errors that cost us two points become goal keeping errors that cost us a clean sheet as we romp to victory and so on.
There is plenty to be concerned with: non scoring strikers, at least one or two defensive cock-ups a game often costing us points, that we are one place outside the relegation zone and performances of late make it seem like we deserve to be there, increasing costs, the worrying trend of decreasing crowds in response to onfield failings and how this will continue in a negative feedback loop as income drops with decreasing attendance, etc.
This 'you wouldn't be complaining if we were winning' is both redundant, and a cynical way to attempt to undermine people who dare express concern with what has actually happened, rather than a hypothetical reversal of reality.
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I don't remember any boo's? Good cup tie as I remember although I doubt I could have heard boo's over their fans...
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Yes. I go with all this.
Nothing wrong with moaning if you don't think you are getting value for money, thats how life is.
What does my tree in on this forum is the normal suspects that try and shoot down anyone who expresses anything than total blind faithed devotion to the club.
Lets be fair, its pretty crap at the moment, people aint happy, if they don't want to go every week so what, you have every right to make a choice.
If they are unhappy about us not investing in players, I can see why.
And before people have a pop, I remember going to Grimsby away with 33 others when we were really shit...but I come back for more
What does my tree in on this forum is the normal suspects that try and shoot down anyone who expresses anything than total blind faithed devotion to the club.
Lets be fair, its pretty crap at the moment, people aint happy, if they don't want to go every week so what, you have every right to make a choice.
If they are unhappy about us not investing in players, I can see why.
And before people have a pop, I remember going to Grimsby away with 33 others when we were really shit...but I come back for more
Weststander
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But, what if the all the Albion's current strikers are simply not of Championship quality? It really can happen to a club. Lack of goals has been the Albion's weakness in the entire Amex era, even when TB was spending big on fees and player wages (giving the huge losses), and few would disagree that we have gone further backwards in the strikers department.
Lack of striking ability does so much harm: opponents relax, can take more gambles going forward themselves and when they score first .... it's a hammer blow to the goal-shy team and their fans (us).
burrish-gull
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- Mar 24, 2009
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To be fair its a bit more EasyJet than Ryanair at the moment......I'd take some Ryanair if they put Paddy Mccourt as Captain, at least we'd can go down with a true Irish legend on a sinking sink...
Albion Dan
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This thread is a poor fishing trip. The management decisions around the playing squad since Oscar left are borderline negligent and relegation could be an absolute disaster for the long term future finances and fan base of the club. Of course If we could win some matches we wouldn't be complaining and if my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle. Unfortunately neither is true.
el punal
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When we played Cardiff and Watford, despite both ending in draws, the performances were encouraging. In both games we were unlucky not to come away with maximum points.
The disappointment is how badly we have played since then which has led many to believe that all is not well in Camp Sami. For me the worst part of this malaise seems to be the lack of urgency and fight in the team in the last two home matches. We look a scared outfit sometimes which smacks of lack of self-confidence i.e. no one really knowing what to do.
I hope that this is only a temporary problem, I really do, and that better displays are round the corner. At present I am not convinced.
The disappointment is how badly we have played since then which has led many to believe that all is not well in Camp Sami. For me the worst part of this malaise seems to be the lack of urgency and fight in the team in the last two home matches. We look a scared outfit sometimes which smacks of lack of self-confidence i.e. no one really knowing what to do.
I hope that this is only a temporary problem, I really do, and that better displays are round the corner. At present I am not convinced.
spellfast
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Yes I think I do have a genuine cause for complaint. It's not really the fact that we have a low league position, though that is obviously a real cause for concern. But my biggest issue is the manner of our failures to win. Yesterday we seemed totally inept there was no working strategy and some of the players didn't really seem to care. It struck me at the end looking at Calderon how totally dejected he looked, and he's a greatly committed Albion player - that bothered me - he clearly does care and he looked totally fed up. Hyppia seems to have no idea how to turn things round and the team look like they don't expect him to. We looked like relegation candidates, brief flurries of effort but never looking like scoring. If Rotherham hadn't been so weak too they would have beaten us easily.
Those that think many of us are just panicking consider this - how many times have you seen a manager staying in post turn around a situation like this. I don't recall any?
We need a change now!
Those that think many of us are just panicking consider this - how many times have you seen a manager staying in post turn around a situation like this. I don't recall any?
We need a change now!
Nobby's Betamax Video
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We can't break quicker as this system needs our full backs to be in two places at once, defending then teleporting out wide on the half way line to receive the quick pass forwards!
League 1 players being asked to play Premier / Champions League tactics.
Not good enough.
- Aug 8, 2005
- 27,221
In short I would say my grumble concerns the corporatisation of the club, but not in general, specifically in its dealings with fans.
We have a CEO who reportedly earns £350-400k per annum telling us that we need to buy three different kits in one season at £45 a go, on top of one of the most expensive season tickets in the country. At the same time the service level from stewards and caterers alike appears to have gone backwards and the cost of food and drink is increasing. We get charged for ordering an away ticket on the internet even if we collect it ourselves and if we lose our season ticket for the first time in our 40 years of supporting the Albion we get charged again.
At the same time we see two successful managers leave because they weren't happy here and the quality players they acquired have mostly been sold and replaced with less able players.
Now I actually don't mind watching an unsuccessful Albion. 80% of my Albion supporting life has been less than good, that's not why I go, but I do object to feeling like the club is trying to screw us over for every penny they can get.
When we moved to the AMEX I was proud that the club strived to retain the soul and contact with fans but I feel they have given up on this and sold their soul in the same way most premiership clubs seem to have done, without actually reaching the premiership. Being premiership ready off the pitch makes sense but treating fans like premiership fans when they don't have premiership football is totally non-sensical.
Just 19,000 people went through the turnstile on Saturday. Not much point putting prices up if you lose 20% of the crowd.
We have a CEO who reportedly earns £350-400k per annum telling us that we need to buy three different kits in one season at £45 a go, on top of one of the most expensive season tickets in the country. At the same time the service level from stewards and caterers alike appears to have gone backwards and the cost of food and drink is increasing. We get charged for ordering an away ticket on the internet even if we collect it ourselves and if we lose our season ticket for the first time in our 40 years of supporting the Albion we get charged again.
At the same time we see two successful managers leave because they weren't happy here and the quality players they acquired have mostly been sold and replaced with less able players.
Now I actually don't mind watching an unsuccessful Albion. 80% of my Albion supporting life has been less than good, that's not why I go, but I do object to feeling like the club is trying to screw us over for every penny they can get.
When we moved to the AMEX I was proud that the club strived to retain the soul and contact with fans but I feel they have given up on this and sold their soul in the same way most premiership clubs seem to have done, without actually reaching the premiership. Being premiership ready off the pitch makes sense but treating fans like premiership fans when they don't have premiership football is totally non-sensical.
Just 19,000 people went through the turnstile on Saturday. Not much point putting prices up if you lose 20% of the crowd.
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