would you mind saying how old you are ? The guy you're slagging off has made valid points that only a senior supporter would know.
a) I was stating the fact that, geographically, there are 13 league clubs nearer to Palace than us. I made no mention of rivalries, although there is clearly bad feeling between both Charlton and Millwall v Palace.
b) Fans will argue til they are blue in the face as to whether it grew naturally/organically or was contrived. I am in the latter camp, others will think differently.
c) Comparing Leeds to our situation with Palace is a poor example. Leeds were one of the biggest clubs in Europe for years and became the team to hate in this country. Their single biggest rivalry is with Man Utd. Pure hatred. Other clubs dislike Leeds as well, including Chelsea ( 1970 Cup Final ) and Sheff Wed, in particular. There is general and widespread dislike of Leeds, borne out of a mixture of envy, attitude and achievement.
d) Of course we have an identity but my argument, like it or not, is that we are naturally neutral as a club. What are the rivalries you refer to and how many are really serious?...Pompey, Swindon, Reading, Luton, Chesterfield, etc....we have had spells where they were at the forefront, briefly, but not anymore and who are the new different rivals?
e) No mutual animosity scares me. I guarantee that in 50+ years of supporting BHA, I have been to Selhurst Park more times than yourself. Whatever figure you come up with, I can add at least 10 to it. I have drunk in Palace pubs. I know Palace fans. I have drunk in solid Millwall pubs and been to the Old Den countless times and even stood alongside diehard Lions. Been attacked on terraces, seen mates punched to the ground, fought back, been chased to railway stations and been stoned with bricks and bottles.
f) Certainly not a worried child, just a mature fan who pre-dates the rivalry and who struggles to embrace it. I can't help it. It just doesn't sit naturally with me. I'm not alone. Read these threads. I know we are in the minority but hey ho, we are entitled to our opinion, as you are to yours.
I've seen enough hatred and violence in football to last two lifetimes. When I was younger, I got wrapped up in too much of it. The adrenalin kicked in. It does when you are adolescent. I don't crave it now and I certainly don't go looking for it. I dislike the nastiness in our relationship with Palace. Its grubby and ugly and I avoid it. My choice.
I feel slightly sorry for them as a club that's always struggling to find a real identity and has an obvious inferiority complex.
In the early 1970s, before we became rivals, they were a plucky little club trying their best to hang on to their newly-won first division status and I quite liked them. Then Malcolm Allison came along with all that Eagles nonsense - are eagles indigenous to the Croydon area? their previous nickname of 'Glaziers' made far more sense - and changed their kit to a poor man's Barcelona and they became something else. And I don't think anyone really knew what it was.
Pardew was actually the perfect manager for them (and, coincidentally, once worked as a glazier) because he understood more about their South London roots than most. It was a shame from his and their point of view that he couldn't make them win home games. But highly amusing for us, of course.
I enjoyed us putting the final nail in their relegation at Selhurst in 1981, and I thought them advertising for new rivals when we were in the fourth tier was genuinely funny. Both sides understand that we'd miss each other if either club disappeared - which has been on the cards at times.
The annual REMF match probably sums it up best. It wouldn't be the same if we played the fans of Stains or the #twats. Both teams want to beat the other, but it's not the be-all and end-all. Or shouldn't be.