- Jul 7, 2003
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Do you carry or are considering carrying any self defense items?
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herecomesaregular
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Chances of it ever happening are minute.....blah blah blah....why worry if your time's up it's up, no need to bother to try to prevent it..... blah blah blah......
I'm not talking about Stateside "must carry a Magnum to put a cap in your ass if you enter my property".....or let's bunker down for armageddon.... but it's not much effort to carry a tactical torch in your handbag/rucsac is it?
Why do people bother with self defense classes then? (how paranoid!) or basic emergency first aid training? (chances of walking past someone having a heart attack are probably "minute" aswell).
Just been thinking of a healthy balance and still wondering!
I'm not talking about Stateside "must carry a Magnum to put a cap in your ass if you enter my property".....or let's bunker down for armageddon.... but it's not much effort to carry a tactical torch in your handbag/rucsac is it?
Why do people bother with self defense classes then? (how paranoid!) or basic emergency first aid training? (chances of walking past someone having a heart attack are probably "minute" aswell).
Just been thinking of a healthy balance and still wondering!
Only basmati.
I am certainly no self-defence expert, nor do I pretend to be. My personal logic tells me, however, that until I can know what the threat is, I can not reasonably work out what is an appropriate defence.
So, to consider the torch (as you have mentioned you are thinking about it).....
Modern day attacks all seem to have an element of surprise in their planning (no medieval lining up of big armies facing-off against each other across a short distance). So, your torch needs to be immediatelyavailable to be used. That, to me, means it has to be in your hand at all times, rather than in the bottom of a rucksack.
It then has to be effective. I doubt it will be very effective in daylight, other than drawing attention to yourself - although I have never seen one of these things. If that is the case, it further limits it's effectiveness for the majority of the time that the average Brit is commuting to / from London.
If you plan to be walking the streets in the dark, what kind of attack will the torch protect you from? A bomb? No. A gun? No. A car / van? Highly unlikely. A one-on-one assault by an assailant with a knife / machete? Maybe, if you can get to it before you are attacked, if it is a dark place and the sudden light can be effective in disorientating the attacker (as opposed to drawing attention to yourself in a crowd) - but then you have to hope it is a single attacker, as you will not be able to dazzle 2, 3, 4 at once?
Can't say that I would bother with a torch, myself.
So, to consider the torch (as you have mentioned you are thinking about it).....
Modern day attacks all seem to have an element of surprise in their planning (no medieval lining up of big armies facing-off against each other across a short distance). So, your torch needs to be immediatelyavailable to be used. That, to me, means it has to be in your hand at all times, rather than in the bottom of a rucksack.
It then has to be effective. I doubt it will be very effective in daylight, other than drawing attention to yourself - although I have never seen one of these things. If that is the case, it further limits it's effectiveness for the majority of the time that the average Brit is commuting to / from London.
If you plan to be walking the streets in the dark, what kind of attack will the torch protect you from? A bomb? No. A gun? No. A car / van? Highly unlikely. A one-on-one assault by an assailant with a knife / machete? Maybe, if you can get to it before you are attacked, if it is a dark place and the sudden light can be effective in disorientating the attacker (as opposed to drawing attention to yourself in a crowd) - but then you have to hope it is a single attacker, as you will not be able to dazzle 2, 3, 4 at once?
Can't say that I would bother with a torch, myself.
Sandals must be worn without socks
Half of these in-the-home deaths (1,500) are people falling over – and, of these, between five and ten each year take place when people are trying to put on socks.
http://thackara.com/mobility-design/if-the-terrorists-dont-get-you-your-socks-will/
As part of a new dress code, moccasins or sandals must be worn without socks.
https://www.voanews.com/a/do-not-wear-socks-hot-pakistanis-told-amid-power-crisis/1664426.html
Half of these in-the-home deaths (1,500) are people falling over – and, of these, between five and ten each year take place when people are trying to put on socks.
http://thackara.com/mobility-design/if-the-terrorists-dont-get-you-your-socks-will/
As part of a new dress code, moccasins or sandals must be worn without socks.
https://www.voanews.com/a/do-not-wear-socks-hot-pakistanis-told-amid-power-crisis/1664426.html
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
https://www.amazon.co.uk/S30R-III-R...F8&qid=1496912419&sr=8-1&keywords=olight+s30r
https://www.banggood.com/BLF-X5-XPL-HI-1400LM-EDC-LED-Flashlight-14500-p-1031451.html?rmmds=search (you'll need a 14500 battery though, doesn't come with one)
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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i would question how effective these "tactical torches" would be in open space with ambient street lights even at night, unless at close range. i think they are something people seen in TV when SWAT teams storm a building.
from a previous life as a doorman, best tactical torch is a 4D Maglite
GloryDays
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Ideally, if I didn't shit my pants and get decapitated I'd grab a fire extinguisher. Most places have one to hand - usually propping a door open or just behind one, or if it has a kitchen then look there.
I wouldn't bother with melee weapons as I'm sure they've had more practise. Instead I'd try to blind them with whatever was inside the fire extinguisher and then either let the Millwall fan go about his business or just flatten their head with it.
I wouldn't bother with melee weapons as I'm sure they've had more practise. Instead I'd try to blind them with whatever was inside the fire extinguisher and then either let the Millwall fan go about his business or just flatten their head with it.
JCL666
absurdism
- Sep 23, 2011
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hahaha when the zombie apocalypse comes I'll be steering well clear of you!!
Insel affe
HellBilly
Good shout I was thinking that about the people in the pubs and restaurants, a fire extinguisher is a good weapon as are bottles, pots and pans even knives.
brightn'ove
cringe
"These terrorists wont get me"
He says whilst wielding his super bright strobe torch in one hand, and a cigarrete in the other.
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Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Being serious for a moment, you could probably do a lot of damage with the umbrella (I am assuming that it is the standard black one not the one that is folded up).
If running it may be a good ideal to jettison The Times.
It is a gentlemen's umbrella.
Why would I jettison The Times? I need something to read whilst I'm dealing with ruffians. Or are you suggesting the FT as an alternative?
Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
No Hamilton, that is a valid point. keep The Times. Never did John Steed any harm.
I hope Emma Peel and Purdey are keeping well.
Bob'n'weave
Well-known member
A Kubotan Keychain. Legal, Easy to learn to use and very effective.
Sorry, not legal at all. I was stopped once and shown, by armed police, the Home Office list of things that are listed as offensive weapons, and 'Kubitan" was on it. I tried to explain that you could not have an object less offensive than a Kubitan but still received an official caution which has given me a criminal record for 'possession of an offensive weapon'. Bit shit really because that could mean hammer, crowbar, bat etc, not 6 inch piece of wood on a key ring. Be advised.
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Bob'n'weave
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Garage_Doors
Originally the Swankers
A newspaper can be a very good weapon, rolled tightly with a stabbing action it would be very solid the similar to a piece of wood or bar and would inflict a lot of damage and pain, enough to subdued them.
Gazwag
5 millionth post poster
I always wear rubber soles and carry a carrot to throw for this very reason
To a certain respect like going to away matches in the 80's