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Do you actually want us to go up to the Premiership? - The Poll
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Birdie Boy
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- Jun 17, 2011
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I don't get this bit, how are we going to be more competitive? Are we suddenly going to win the lottery (could say we already have once with TB)? By staying within FFP rules we will not make more money. Any money amde through FFP. ie fines to other clubs will be split between the other 50-70 that comply, so no massive influx of cash.
The only thing that we might gain is youngsters coming through the academy but that is not guaranteed and look at our current youngsters like Solly, Jake, Rohan, Maksimenko, Chicksen etc. there is only probably Ince that could possibly start in the Premiership currently!
Bollocks.
Football is about winning matches, a football fan wants their team to win.
If they don't, they aren't fans.
Bleeding simple really.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Ok I wont bother going to Port Vale on Saturday as I'm not a fan.
If you don't want us to win, then good.
Tired of this shite thread.
Anyone who would rather see us lose please naff off and watch Crawley, or preferably Palarse.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Stop throwing your toys out of the pram. Of course I want us to win, but as a fan I also accept the bad with the good. Blimey having been a fan since 1961, I've seen some bad and enjoy the good when it happens.
My problem and I know there are a few others, is that if we get promoted, then we will lose more than we win. Therefore I wouldn't enjoy it as much. There is also the problem that I wouldn't be able to go to away matches because of the sheer cost involved.
- Aug 8, 2005
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- Thread starter
- #68
As the thread starter, I just wanted to see peoples opinion. I want to be in the premiership. I have concerns about cost, but want to be in, but knew having spoken to lots of people who are quite happy with where we are for now that this thread would have those views expressed. The Championship is a very good level, competitive, generally nice stadiums, good crowds, it's a poor mans premiership in a lot of ways. But I think most fans still want us to win every games and get into the premiership. Expressing concern over the potential cost etc does not make you a bad fan, just a little more considered.
Football is a passion, a way of life, not a passing interest that people only take part in if their team is winning.
Anybody, and I mean anybody that doesn't want their team to win EVERY match they play, cannot call themselves fanatical.
Fans sit there watching and listening, playing every minute themselves.
If somebody doesn't want their team to be playing at the top level and trying to win every game, why on Earth are they bothering?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Did you enjoy our games in Leagues 1 & 2 or weren't they good enough for you?
No they weren't good enough, but yes I enjoyed them.
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Grombleton
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- Dec 31, 2011
- 7,356
True, but in time those youngsters will (hopefully) develop and if they are not first XI, then hopefully they'd be first XVIII to give us the depth and confidence they can hold their own for a succession of games.
I'd rather that than go up this season (for example) with an under-developed crop of players and gaping holes in key areas. Or, go up, blow a tonne of cash on players to only manage 18th and come back down with high earners and a massive debt.
Gritt23
New member
Of course I'd like to see us go up. I could never be at a game hoping we lose and miss out on promotion.
But I'm not desperate to go up at all costs. For one, the "costs" could be extreme. The notion that a spell in the Premiership "sets you up financially" is just so rarely what actually happens. Not so long ago Bolton were the typical yo-yo club, before finding their feet in the top tier for a while. What are they, £160m in debt! Birmingham, QPR, Charlton, Leeds, Blackburn, Wolves ..... the teams who come back down don't strike me as having won any financial lottery. Often quite the reverse.
Also, it's true that many of us will get priced out. Not necessarily because we don't have that much money, but because when weighed up against what else you could do with the money, it just because too expensive for what it is. Personally, I think going up and staying up wouldn't hold my interest for very long, while a slow death of an inevitable relegation would have me wishing for The Championship and actually winning some games, by about November.
So, while I obviously want to see us go up, a part of me does feel it would be the beginning of the end for me, as there is a lot about the Premiership that turns me off the game rather than has me desperate to get as much of it as I can. The streets are not paved with gold, for anyone but the players.
But I'm not desperate to go up at all costs. For one, the "costs" could be extreme. The notion that a spell in the Premiership "sets you up financially" is just so rarely what actually happens. Not so long ago Bolton were the typical yo-yo club, before finding their feet in the top tier for a while. What are they, £160m in debt! Birmingham, QPR, Charlton, Leeds, Blackburn, Wolves ..... the teams who come back down don't strike me as having won any financial lottery. Often quite the reverse.
Also, it's true that many of us will get priced out. Not necessarily because we don't have that much money, but because when weighed up against what else you could do with the money, it just because too expensive for what it is. Personally, I think going up and staying up wouldn't hold my interest for very long, while a slow death of an inevitable relegation would have me wishing for The Championship and actually winning some games, by about November.
So, while I obviously want to see us go up, a part of me does feel it would be the beginning of the end for me, as there is a lot about the Premiership that turns me off the game rather than has me desperate to get as much of it as I can. The streets are not paved with gold, for anyone but the players.
- Aug 8, 2005
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- Thread starter
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That's a pretty good summary I think, although it's hard not to think about how great it would be to start the season well and somehow be on top of the premiership. Just for that moment it would be worth it. Or for those rare moments of magic when you beat one of the big boys. I suspect like many though it could prove to be a disappointment.
It's interesting that in the old days a few seasons in the top flight saw our attendances fall below what they were when we were challenging for promotion. It is not inconceivable that that could happen again.
- Aug 8, 2005
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Attendances in the late 70's when we were challenging for promotion out of the second tier and then when we were in the premiership. Initial increase for novelty value, followed by a big dive when we started to lose a lot more than we win.
1977 - 20,197
1978 - 25,265
1979 - 22,145
1980 - 24,745
1981 - 18,984
1982 - 18,244
1983 - 14,662
1977 - 20,197
1978 - 25,265
1979 - 22,145
1980 - 24,745
1981 - 18,984
1982 - 18,244
1983 - 14,662
HawkTheSeagull
New member
Of course, but i dont care about instant success. Id rather get to the promised land of Sky TV money without spending beyond our means and ending up with even bigger debts.
Gritt23
New member
Sadly, very few actually do that, and those who do (Blackpool) get slated by the fans for not spending enough.
HawkTheSeagull
New member
Well we'll have to buck the trend then. West Brom went up a few years ago and had 1 season up there, then came back down for a couple of years and have now been their ever since. Cant recall them spending beyond their means - the type of club(ish) we should be looking to emulate (not including the Anelka saga of course), West Brom and Swansea that is.