Do you actually support Trump?

[clippedgull]

I like him, far too early to judge his Presidency though.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Unequivocally no.
I think you will find that much of his support derives from opposition to the people who oppose him and therein lies the problem. Until these people return to civilized and measured debate we are stuck with Trump. Opposing Trump by using extreme language will not work.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.

I agree,not to decide is to decide-

Perhaps if he,Trump-had of been elected 10 years ago,he would have stopped a whole lot of potential flash points that will soon threaten us...North Korea's Nuclear Threat is one such area that the Obhama administration among others have continued to allow to fester unchecked.


Using this logic it could be applied to the Obhama among others North Korean policy-which now Trump has to deal with among other areas.

 

[peterward]

Do you actually support Trump?

I'm just wondering if anyone actually truly supports him. On the other thread you'll see the usual thing right wingers do when they don't support, or don't won't to be seen in public supporting, a policy .....which is to avoid discussion and snipe at supposed hypocrisy from other parties. I see this as tacit support. But I'm curious if anyone truly supports him and thinks he is a force for good.

PS This isn't an anti-American thread. I have a lot of time for the US and most of its people, and work with them.

In the US the Democrats whilst not perfect, are the sensible centrist party and the republicans are extremists on the lunatic fringes. In this country it's the opposite, Labour is now a joke extremist party and the government, whilst not perfect is the only sensible centrist party. Both Trump and Corbyn are dangerous lunatics.

 

[larus]

I think it's a sad indictment of modern politics that we have had in rectnet times politicians of the ilk of (for example)
Bliar
Brown
Juncker
Hollande (what a complete waste of oxygen)
Clinton
Farage
Trump

However, the left-wing luvvies really need to get on with their own lives and stop this constant whining. Trump is not a nice piece of work (but IMO, Clinton was a worse choice), but he has struck a chord with a vast amount of people. The problem is that a lot of the news outlets have a left-wing, politically correct bias and are royally pissed off with what's happening and are twisting their reporting by the use of emotive language against Trump.

The left-wing brigade can't see that so many are disenfranchised by the elite (from all parties). Globalisation doesn't work as it benefits large corporations but not the working people. Too much immigration causes tensions as, although we're not allowed to say this, there is still a lot of racist/religious tensions and having vast numbers of people being absorbed into another country does cause problems.

The left-wing zealots are also very good at manipulating the agenda and exaggeration, for example globull warming.

But no, I don't Support Trump, but then again I though Obama was completely ineffective and hypocritical and Clinton would have been a disaster.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You could probably throw a small blanket over NSC members who actually support him, but many will support the fact that he was actually elected fairly according to the system they have in the states.

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I'm not disputing their system. I support democracy but it doesn't mean one has to support the outcome or support the outcome because of the system . In fact not supporting the outcome is a part of democracy.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think it's a sad indictment of modern politics that we have had in rectnet times politicians of the ilk of (for example)
Bliar
Brown
Juncker
Hollande (what a complete waste of oxygen)
Clinton
Farage
Trump

However, the left-wing luvvies really need to get on with their own lives and stop this constant whining. Trump is not a nice piece of work (but IMO, Clinton was a worse choice), but he has struck a chord with a vast amount of people. The problem is that a lot of the news outlets have a left-wing, politically correct bias and are royally pissed off with what's happening and are twisting their reporting by the use of emotive language against Trump.

The left-wing brigade can't see that so many are disenfranchised by the elite (from all parties). Globalisation doesn't work as it benefits large corporations but not the working people. Too much immigration causes tensions as, although we're not allowed to say this, there is still a lot of racist/religious tensions and having vast numbers of people being absorbed into another country does cause problems.

The left-wing zealots are also very good at manipulating the agenda and exaggeration, for example globull warming.

But no, I don't Support Trump, but then again I though Obama was completely ineffective and hypocritical and Clinton would have been a disaster.

You only needed the last sentence... which gives your answer and neatly provides an example of my right wing sniping comment

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

In the US the Democrats whilst not perfect, are the sensible centrist party and the republicans are extremists on the lunatic fringes. In this country it's the opposite, Labour is now a joke extremist party and the government, whilst not perfect is the only sensible centrist party. Both Trump and Corbyn are dangerous lunatics.

Thanks for all this. But is it a yes or no to my question?

 

[larus]

You only needed the last sentence... which gives your answer and neatly provides an example of my right wing sniping comment

Well, if you think either Obama did a good job or Clinton would have done a good job then I rest my case, Typical left-wing blinkered view.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

In the US the Democrats whilst not perfect, are the sensible centrist party and the republicans are extremists on the lunatic fringes. In this country it's the opposite, Labour is now a joke extremist party and the government, whilst not perfect is the only sensible centrist party. Both Trump and Corbyn are dangerous lunatics.

Sensible centrists?

Obama blackmailed US colleges into implementing a system that allows a person to accuse another of rape and the accused has no legal recourse and no Police involvement allowed in the investigation. It's basically believe the accuser and taint the accused name and kick them out of college.

That's any extremist position if I ever saw one. Creating a Kangaroo court in US colleges.

 

[Bakero]

The left-wing zealots are also very good at manipulating the agenda and exaggeration, for example globull warming.

Explain, please.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

My mistake. Congratulations you're the first person to read one of my posts!

And I thought that, unlike me, you never make mistakes when posting on NSC . . . . .

 

[Brighton Mod]

Trumps rise cannot be seen in isolation to the failures of the Obama administration, which saw the US draw back on foreign policy and now leaves a vacuum for Putins Russia. An industrial revolution is underway across the world, a force that may be beyond the control of politicians and yet they inform us that they can control these issues, the only outcome being failure. We are now more educated, informed and opinionated than at any time in the past and yet politicians around the world continue to peddle mistruths, aspirations and damm right lies!

The door opened up for Trump and he walked through it and now we see the liberal media resting on his every word and movement and managing to find a negative in it. Would I have voted for Trump, yes over his opponent Hilary Clinton, who should really not have received the nomination, but then Bernie Saunders was worse than her. Just shows what a mess politicians have got themselves into across the world, give Trump a chance can he be any worse than his predecessors?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

You only needed the last sentence... which gives your answer and neatly provides an example of my right wing sniping comment

It's not right wing to dislike Clinton and Obama.

 

[Brovion]

I like the idea of someone who isn't a career politician shaking things up and saying what he actually thinks, rather than constant political bullshit. I also like the idea of someone who has real, long term experience in business getting in office instead of someone who knows nothing about the real world. I can completely see how someone like this struck a chord with the electorate.

It's just a shame that it had to be a complete and utter mentalist that ran on that ticket.

I do think he is being hammered by a lot of the media and a lot of things are being blown out of proportion though. A few Americans at my old work supported him and said that the perception and reporting we get of him in the U.K is very different to what they see in the U.S.

Still think he's a **** though.


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Yeah, I'm sort of that mind as well. Rightly or wrongly there has been a huge backlash against the established political elite and the accepted political consensus all throughout the western world. Trump is simply a part of that, albeit a very large part. So incidentally are the people who voted for Corbyn as Labour leader. You can see it everywhere: the SNP in Scotland, Brexit in England and Wales, Syriza in Greece, Corbyn, Trump, Marie Le Pen and others are all different facets of the same phenomena. (And as someone who is still a Corbyn supporter I'm self-aware enough to see this).

All the bad things people say about Trump are right, he is a dangerous egomaniac and it's shocking that he's president of the USA. No I don't support him, of course not. But as an old-school 70s Socialist I hate the patronising, rich so-called liberal elite just as much if not more. So I draw a crumb of comfort from the fact that he's pissing them off as much as he's pissing me off.

 

[El Presidente]

I don't support Trump, but I would have supported him if the alternative was Ted Cruz, or Mike Pence.

The saddest thing about the soap opera that is his presidency to date is that it has taken attention away from his wife Melania. She is an absolute babe, has a great set of puppies, and if given a weekend with her I would end up with bollocks as flat as a pair of bats' wings.

http://resize2-parismatch.ladmedia.fr/r/625,417,center-middle,ffffff/img/var/news/storage/images/paris-match/people/politique/melania-trump-et-maintenant-les-photos-de-nu-1028869/14603887-1-fre-FR/Melania-Trump-Et-maintenant-les-photos-de-nu.jpg

She is without doubt the only President's wife that I would quite happily give a magnificent seven* (sticking it in every orifice to those of you who are a bit puritanical, or read the Express), although Cara Bruni is in the running for that award too.









*If dealing with Daniella Westbrook, this clearly has to be a magnificent six, not that I would mind you.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Much as I think voting Brexit and Trump was completely wrong, dangerous, and based on promises that will turn out to be "fake" , I can't deny that they both won, and everyone is going to have to live with whatever the consequences turn out to be.

Hence i think that those trying to reverse the referendum result are also wrong (a win is a win however small the margin under the rules - a bit like missing promotion because of goal difference), so I have to respect the result however deluded I still think it is. We are just going to have to make the best of it

And if anyone thinks that Trump is just a simple honest businessman who is only in it for the public good, I suspect that they are deluding themselves .

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I don't support Trump, but I would have supported him if the alternative was Ted Cruz, or Mike Pence.

The saddest thing about the soap opera that is his presidency to date is that it has taken attention away from his wife Melania. She is an absolute babe, has a great set of puppies, and if given a weekend with her I would end up with bollocks as flat as a pair of bats' wings.

http://resize2-parismatch.ladmedia.fr/r/625,417,center-middle,ffffff/img/var/news/storage/images/paris-match/people/politique/melania-trump-et-maintenant-les-photos-de-nu-1028869/14603887-1-fre-FR/Melania-Trump-Et-maintenant-les-photos-de-nu.jpg

She is without doubt the only President's wife that I would quite happily give a magnificent seven* (sticking it in every orifice to those of you who are a bit puritanical, or read the Express), although Cara Bruni is in the running for that award too.









*If dealing with Daniella Westbrook, this clearly has to be a magnificent six, not that I would mind you.

What was wrong with Mrs Obama? Much more potential.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I like the idea of someone who isn't a career politician shaking things up and saying what he actually thinks, rather than constant political bullshit. I also like the idea of someone who has real, long term experience in business getting in office instead of someone who knows nothing about the real world. I can completely see how someone like this struck a chord with the electorate.

It's just a shame that it had to be a complete and utter mentalist that ran on that ticket.

I do think he is being hammered by a lot of the media and a lot of things are being blown out of proportion though. A few Americans at my old work supported him and said that the perception and reporting we get of him in the U.K is very different to what they see in the U.S.

Still think he's a **** though.


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This is pretty close to how I'm seeing things, so I'll just be lazy and quote it!

I can understand why Americans voted for him, obviously he attracted the vote of the far right but to get elected he must've been voted for by millions of normal people who don't harbour any extreme or racist views and you have to question why that happened given that Trump is such a useless politician with no workable policies.

The way out of this is to engage and debate about what he's doing without belittling the people who voted for him because that will only disenfranchise them even further but he's making such a hash of it that it's difficult not to take the piss!

I blame the Democrats for selecting Clinton who was probably the only person toxic enough to lose an election to Trump.

 

[daveybgtt]

The thought of Trump as president is ridiculous to be honest, but president he is, and to be honest if the only other option was Hilary and her cloud cuckoo land Hollywood mates, SJW's snowflakes and general rabble that contribute nothing of worth to society bar crying racist supporters then there would only be one choice for me.

It would be done out of spite no doubt, but that's me.