[Football] Do Argentina keep the trophy now they've won it three times?

[Lenny Rider]

78, 86 and 22?

Brazil obviously kept the original one after winning it in 58, 62 and 70, so a whole new one for the 48 country World Cup in 2026?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

No.

 

[Frutos]

If that were the rule, Germany (74, 90, 14) would have kept it after their third win.

 

[Bold Seagull]

78, 86 and 22?

Brazil obviously kept the original one after winning it in 58, 62 and 70, so a whole new one for the 48 country World Cup in 2026?

Didn't the Germans win this trophy 3 times?

 

[Lenny Rider]

Didn't the Germans win this trophy 3 times?

West Germany won it once in 1974, Germany won it the other two times, different country according to FIFA.

 

[Triggaaar]

Can we get something for trying?

 

[Badger Boy]

Can we get something for trying?

We got the Fair Play Award, what more do you want?

 

[Bold Seagull]

West Germany won it once in 1974, Germany won it the other two times, different country according to FIFA.

It was still West Germany in 1990. FIFA recognises any German team that was under the Deutscher Fußball-Bund as a single entity and lists Germany as having 4 world cup wins. So you are mistaken on that.

 

[Coldeanseagull]

Might as well let them have it, not as if we're in the hunt

 

[Lenny Rider]

It was still West Germany in 1990. FIFA recognises any German team that was under the Deutscher Fußball-Bund as a single entity and lists Germany as having 4 world cup wins. So you are mistaken on that.

I stand corrected then old boy, I thought Germany had unified by 1990, so after the Jules Rimet giveaway they must have changed the rules. At least that means that Declan Rice will get his hands on the existing trophy in 2026

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

West Germany won it once in 1974, Germany won it the other two times, different country according to FIFA.

West Germany was just a tag used to differentiate the two Germanys; since the war the country has always been the Federal Republic of Germany, and the team which won the WC the 4 times was representing the FRG. They have never been two separate countrie.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Germany has four stars on their shirt, so FIFA must recognise all their wins.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I stand corrected then old boy, I thought Germany had unified by 1990, so after the Jules Rimet giveaway they must have changed the rules. At least that means that Declan Rice will get his hands on the existing trophy in 2026

Brazil got to keep the trophy after their 3rd win, but seeing as it was then stolen (again) and has never been recovered probably put FIFA off from permanently awarding the trophy to a nation again

Theft in Brazil

In 1970, Brazil received the Jules Rimet Trophy in perpetuity after winning the World Cup for a third time, but in 1983 the trophy was again stolen. A banker and football club agent (although the club, Clube Atlético Mineiro, denies his employment) called Sérgio Pereira Ayres (also known as "Sérgio Peralta") was the mastermind of the theft. Peralta engaged two other men, an ex-police officer called Francisco Rivera (a.k.a. "Chico Barbudo") and a decorator, José Luiz Vieira (a.k.a. "Luiz Bigode"). The two men entered the Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF)'s building and, after incapacitating the nightwatchman, stole the trophy and two other trophies, "Equitativa" and "Jurrito". A safecracker, Antonio Setta (a.k.a. "Broa"), revealed that Peralta had also approached him for the job, but he refused out of patriotism and because his brother had died of a heart attack when Brazil won the Jules Rimet Trophy.

Peralta and the rest of the suspects were arrested, and it was claimed that the trophy was melted into gold bars by Juan Carlos Hernández, an Argentine gold dealer. Hernández denied the accusation, and the traces of gold found after an analysis of his foundry did not match the material of the trophy. In addition, doubts were raised because the trophy was not made of solid gold; it could not be melted into gold bars, and according to Pedro Berwanger, the Brazilian federal police officer who led the original investigation, it would be worth much more if left intact.

Hernández was arrested, along with the suspects, but when they received their sentences, they all fled. Chico Barbudo was shot to death in 1989 by five men in a bar. Luiz Bigode was re-arrested and freed from jail in 1998. Antonio Setta died in a car accident in 1985, as he was going to the police central to testify on the crime. Juan Carlos Hernández, who had bought a luxurious estate in the upper-class Rio neighborhood of Humaitá shortly after the theft, fled to France and was arrested in 1998 at a bus station in São Paulo for drug trafficking (he had also served jail time in France for the same offence). He was freed from jail in 2005, having never served the penalty for receiving stolen goods that he would incur for the trophy. The mastermind, Sérgio Peralta, was freed from jail in 1998. He died of a heart attack in 2003.

The trophy has never been recovered. Instead, a replica of the Jules Rimet Trophy was presented to the CBF in 1984[/quote}

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Can we get something for trying?

Confirmation that the manager is staying on.

Plus they scored lots of goals, bless them.

 

[Lenny Rider]

West Germany was just a tag used to differentiate the two Germanys; since the war the country has always been the Federal Republic of Germany, and the team which won the WC the 4 times was representing the FRG. They have never been two separate countrie.

So then clearly the ‘three wins‘ rule has no longer been a thing since before 2014, otherwise it would be on show at The Reichstag

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So then clearly the ‘three wins‘ rule has no longer been a thing since before 2014, otherwise it would be on show at The Reichstag

True! I did some research and the three-wins-and-keep-the-trophy was at the behest of Mr Rimet for the original trophy. The current trophy doesn’t follow this rule, in fact the FIFA rules explicitly state this apparently.

 

[Lenny Rider]

True! I did some research and the three-wins-and-keep-the-trophy was at the behest of Mr Rimet for the original trophy. The current trophy doesn’t follow this rule, in fact the FIFA rules explicitly state this apparently.

Incidentally Monsieur Rimet left the building in 1956, two years before Brazil’s first victory.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Incidentally Monsieur Rimet left the building in 1956, two years before Brazil’s first victory.

Thirteen nations contested the first tournament in 1930; given the numbers for 2026, FIFA do like wonky groups.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Thirteen nations contested the first tournament in 1930; given the numbers for 2026, FIFA do like wonky groups.

Do you recall in our youth HT FIFA ran a former winners tournament in 1981 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the competition, but the FA declined to send a team?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Italy won it in 34, 38 and 82, so no.