[Other Sport] Djokovic held at airport

[Bold Seagull]

This is why when a certain poster went for election as a councillor he threatened Bozza with legals if he didn't remove all his posts.

Credit where credit is due, it is a quality bounce from Swanny, sometimes you just got to own stuff you said or typed 2 years ago that contradicts what you just typed today. Portslade has more than enough room for a Swanny and a Guinness Boy!

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Wow, is it 2020 again already?

I believe I got a three day ban by replying to that particular message. Can I have it wiped off my record then please?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

This is why when a certain poster went for election as a councillor he threatened Bozza with legals if he didn't remove all his posts.

Credit where credit is due, it is a quality bounce from Swanny, sometimes you just got to own stuff you said or typed 2 years ago that contradicts what you just typed today. Portslade has more than enough room for a Swanny and a Guinness Boy!

Sounds like you think changing one’s mind is a sign of weakness to be exploited.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I believe I got a three day ban by replying to that particular message. Can I have it wiped off my record then please?

Unlikely it was me that banned you but, if it was, I can't give you three days back. I'm not Dr Who.

Your "record" resets after a period of time that is significantly shorter than 2 years.

 

[kjgood]

It was obviously quite clear already back then that the virus was dangerous to the vulnerable, "just a cold" or not.

Everyone is always idiots if they dont agree with GB. "Just some vulnerable people dying, meh" - agree or prepared to be verbally abused, then the u-turn "people who dont care about the vulnerable lack empathy!" - agree or you'll see.

Some of us dont want to be vaccinated. Its not due to having less empathy than someone else. Most of our life decisions, as long as we're living in a society, has positive and negative impacts on other people. With the same reasoning as regarding covid, it is a lack of empathy to use fossil fuel (affects future and possibly current generations), to have a beer and support the alcohol industry (affects alcoholics and those around them), to not use fossil fuel (think of the employeers of the fossil fuel companies!), to not have a beer and support those working in that area, to buy or not buy plastic that cant be recycled, to have a TV showing commercials for hamburgers and candy and other shit that will make people fat and die.

Everything kills, everything causes suffering. Everyone kills, everyone causes suffering. So why do people who dont want vaccines get pointed out? Because of the hysteria. If a million newspaper and a billion people were moaning about people choosing not to travel collectively rather than driving everywhere, they would be the main enemy of society and everything else would be forgotten. We know covid is not a common cold but we also know that the 3.4% mortality rate was wrong. Its a dangerous thing, like being fat or smoking.

The whole antivaxx-bashing thing is tedious. We all make decisions, for our own pleasure/advantage that makes other people suffer and die. If we would all see ourselves and our own decisions as good and others and their other decisions as bad then we could go on for eternity with the whole "good or evil" bullshit when we're all both (if any) of those things.

Slightly missing the point I think although I agree with a lot of what you say about wider health concerns, however the current situation in Australia is a prime case. I would agree that whether you are ''Vaxed'' or not is a personal decision and in no way would I advocate people being held down and jabbed against their will, but in the same way do not complain when Governments on behalf of their populations put in place laws and regulations that restrict what you can do. Governments are their to legislate for the wider population that includes those who are and are not inoculated.

Anti Vaxers have made their decisions, stop winging when it doesn't fit in with what everyone else believes. The evidence is clear that currently more people who are not vaccinated are dying with COVID than those who are, you could argue that those who are not vaccinated are really really lucky that the current strain is less dangerous than previous strains, but who knows what is coming next? hopefully COVID is going through a phase where it is burning itself out however............?? I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of those that are not vaccinated if a future strain is a real killer, I wonder if NHS treatment would not be asked for as part of that no vaccine decision if COVID was contracted?

 

[herecomesaregular]

Its fine because...

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... they're "one step from death anyway".

#conceptualempathy

Not a massive fan of GB as a Mod but really, oh dear, how sad are you to search and find that?! Not regarding what he said but the effort and bother to find something. Take a biscuit.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Portslade has more than enough room for a Swanny and a Guinness Boy!

Indeed.

Given his latest rant on this thread I assume he's going to get here by walking to the coast, swimming the North Sea and subsisting only on water (ethically sourced).

Or, if the point is that everything is bad then perhaps by private jet whilst snorting charlie off a photo of a small child making a Nike trainer?

Either way one can only hope he's going to study science at the folk school as it seems to be desperately needed.

 

[Swansman]

Slightly missing the point I think although I agree with a lot of what you say about wider health concerns, however the current situation in Australia is a prime case. I would agree that whether you are ''Vaxed'' or not is a personal decision and in no way would I advocate people being held down and jabbed against their will, but in the same way do not complain when Governments on behalf of their populations put in place laws and regulations that restrict what you can do. Governments are their to legislate for the wider population that includes those who are and are not inoculated.

Anti Vaxers have made their decisions, stop winging when it doesn't fit in with what everyone else believes. The evidence is clear that currently more people who are not vaccinated are dying with COVID than those who are, you could argue that those who are not vaccinated are really really lucky that the current strain is less dangerous than previous strains, but who knows what is coming next? hopefully COVID is going through a phase where it is burning itself out however............?? I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of those that are not vaccinated if a future strain is a real killer, I wonder if NHS treatment would not be asked for as part of that no vaccine decision if COVID was contracted?

Well, indeed too bad if that is the case but vaccines is a solution similar to the problem. Mankind thinking it is immortal and pushing the limits. The human aberration from nature. Why the massive spread? Because of the fcked up belief that we're greater than nature - "We'll collect millions of people in cities and fly all across the world because we're ****ing greedy and demand pleasure and dont give a shit about the consequences."

Environment says this is not sustainable, the fact that no other species behave in this way says it is not sustainable. How do we try to solve it? Not by changing habits, but through science and technology, these naive, godless religions. Fine, might save us from this one but eventually some virus or bacteria has a decent chance of killing us because we dont follow the rules of nature.

Some species has gone locally extinct through viruses or parasites but survived on the planet because they have no urge for tourism and colonialism. Mankind has put itself in a very vulnerable position through interconnecting, it is aware of the risks but cant stop itself from trying to reap the rewards. Science and technology caused the massive spread.

Did it cause the virus itself? Probably in one way or another. If it "escaped" from a lab in Wuhan or St. Elsewhere, then it is obviously the case. "Dont **** around" has always been the message from the planet, and we build hundreds or maybe thousands of labs, all ****ing around with what we all should stay away from. If it wasnt a lab causing this, next time it could well be.

And if it wasnt the lab, then it could still be attributed to our sci-tech religion in which nature is some kind of inferior tool to be used and abused. Dont eat strange animals, dont wander into bat caves, and if you do those things, dont come and sell the shit in our multi million city. Did we know this when we were a little bit more in touch with our surroundings? Probably. Ancient depictions and stories of bats were likely made because some poor ****er went into a bat cave, got sick and died, similar to how not so gratifiying stories about wolves are likely due to that they would eat all cattle and you'd starve and die.

The sci-tech religion caused this misery (and a lot of former and future misery) yet you expect everyone to happily head back to the Silicon Valley-church to get injected with some shit, because science and technology has made its last mistake and caused its last victim? **** that.

I cant stay out of modern society, not designed for it, not schooled for it, too addicted to comfort. But I'm not going to tag along with every new trend or invention. I might be part of saving the species or killing it, who knows? Did the inventor of the gun kill more people than he saved? Who knows. Did the inventor of using fossil fuel create more births than deaths at the end of the day? Future will tell.

We'll die a young species. It is pretty new on this planet, our brothers - the other homo subspecieses - lasted a very short time and not much indicates we'll be around for longer and the reason will more likely be due to obsession with altering our nature rather than just living with it.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Sounds like you think changing one’s mind is a sign of weakness to be exploited.

Not at all, and I don’t think it was taken like that by GB either. Just that we all probably say things that we can end up contradicting much later, and you just have to take it on the chin when it happens. I would say that’s a sign of strength rather than weakness, acknowledging a mistake or change of heart, wouldn’t you?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

So, in the NSC anti-vaxx corner we have:

sydney who is vaccinated "unwillingly" (did they tie you down and force jab you?) but still posting things that no one can possibly check because it's all hearsay rather than documented fact.

Desperate Albion Dan Roland who vaccinated his own kids just in case, because why not hedge your bets.

"Pro vax" unvaccinated Mustafa who was "immune" (and then caught Covid) and flounced off when called out on it.

BeHereNow who was going to jack in his season ticket because of Covid passports but has apparently been attending games whilst unvaccinated.

What you all seem to have in common is massive hypocrisy and a desire to just crack on as normal, because there is a total lack of conceptual empathy that actually you may be putting other, far more vulnerable, people at risk.

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The anti vaxx hill is a very odd hill to choose to die on.

I mean by all means don't get vaccinated, but to spout on and on and on about it despite clear warnings that antivaxxing propaganda on NSC is strongly discouraged betrays a strange desire to be evangelical about it.

 

[Audax]

less than a dozen case in Australia, all of them from first dose. so it just bollocks.

what people miss with this risk, is the disease iteself could have caused clotting too.

Forget "could have" - it absolutely does. It's been well documented now that:

1) The AZ vaccine increases (by a tiny amount) the risk of particular types of blood clots
2) Covid-19 increase (by a much larger amount) the risk of blood clots

3) The mRNA vaccines increase (by small amounts) the risk of some heart conditions (pericarditis and myocarditis)
4) Covid-19 increases the risk for those conditions by substantially more

Given that Covid increases the risk of these conditions, it is entirely unsurprising that the vaccines do as well. But given the vaccines increase the risk by substantially less than Covid does, the balance of risk suggests you should have the vaccine unless you have clear medical contraindications (in which case you should be doing everything else possible to avoid Covid, as you'll be high risk of being killed by it).

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I've always liked Djokovic, then all of a sudden a few years ago everyone suddenly hated him. I have never understood why.

Before all this anti vax stuff what did he actually do that made people turn on him?

He's a fabulous player. But this might explain a bit of antipathy towards him.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis...c/news-story/d978ea69368ca8735b348e666883d190

 

[rippleman]

Don't we have enough anti-vaxxers of our own without encouraging Swanny over here. What if he gets sick with covid as a result of his arrogant, evangelical anti-vax campaign and ends up taking residence in one of our valuable ICU beds?

I would welcome Swanny to Portslade with open arms and would happily meet him for a beer....once he has found his "sensible gene" and had all his jabs.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Don't we have enough anti-vaxxers of our own without encouraging Swanny over here. What if he gets sick with covid as a result of his arrogant, evangelical anti-vax campaign and ends up taking residence in one of our valuable ICU beds?

I would welcome Swanny to Portslade with open arms and would happily meet him for a beer....once he has found his "sensible gene" and had all his jabs.

Spot on.

I've already admitted the post he bounced was very wrong as were several others by me and others on that thread around that time.

But it would be absolute madness to STILL have that opinion two years later in the face of lots more evidence. And we are talking, here, about vaccines and not the potency of Covid. Even back then I was saying vaccines would see a way out (and, slowly, they are doing).

There's not much point having a mind if you can't change it, but it seems the only people who will never change their minds on anything are conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers - or at least, the latter don't until they get Covid and end up in an ICU. Then they're begging for a jab and it's too late.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Not at all, and I don’t think it was taken like that by GB either. Just that we all probably say things that we can end up contradicting much later, and you just have to take it on the chin when it happens. I would say that’s a sign of strength rather than weakness, acknowledging a mistake or change of heart, wouldn’t you?

Definitely, yes. I prefer to acknowledge my own changes of opinion though rather than have others rub my nose in it. When I was younger I was a member of the Labour Party and of the Young Socialists. I am more than happy to confess but would think it odd if someone from those days popped up to remind me

 

[Swansman]

Don't we have enough anti-vaxxers of our own without encouraging Swanny over here. What if he gets sick with covid as a result of his arrogant, evangelical anti-vax campaign and ends up taking residence in one of our valuable ICU beds?

I would welcome Swanny to Portslade with open arms and would happily meet him for a beer....once he has found his "sensible gene" and had all his jabs.

I'm guessing it would be a requirement if I were to go to Portslade so I'd think about reluctantly doing it.

By then you vaccine junkies will be on your fifth or sixth needle (and longing for another) so I would have a bit of catching up to do.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So, in the NSC anti-vaxx corner we have:

sydney who is vaccinated "unwillingly" (did they tie you down and force jab you?) but still posting things that no one can possibly check because it's all hearsay rather than documented fact.

Desperate Albion Dan Roland who vaccinated his own kids just in case, because why not hedge your bets.

"Pro vax" unvaccinated Mustafa who was "immune" (and then caught Covid) and flounced off when called out on it.

BeHereNow who was going to jack in his season ticket because of Covid passports but has apparently been attending games whilst unvaccinated.

What you all seem to have in common is massive hypocrisy and a desire to just crack on as normal, because there is a total lack of conceptual empathy that actually you may be putting other, far more vulnerable, people at risk.

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Well said.

Your Covid was bad, mine has been trivial (but it is the later variant).

If I take a piss on the street it won't cause any harm, and probably nobody will know it was me. But the same imperatives that hold me back from exercising this freedom are the same as those that drove me to be very careful for a year, wear a mask when shopping, get my jabs when they were available, and stay at home when I eventually tested positive.

Anyone who can't understand that or disagrees with it is.....dead to me, I'm afraid

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He's a fabulous player. But this might explain a bit of antipathy towards him.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis...c/news-story/d978ea69368ca8735b348e666883d190

I looked him up. He seems to be free of the Serb bad, Croat good (or vice versa) imperative, but he seems to be a kind of Icke-lite, a bit flakey with a mix of orthodoxy and new agery, but seems mostly harmless. Unfortunately, as we saw with Mustafa, having a strongly expressed laissez faire attitude to certain tropes that have real traction with the majority, some of whom have become bereaved due to Covid, is not a great look.

 

[Springal]

I'm guessing it would be a requirement if I were to go to Portslade so I'd think about reluctantly doing it.

By then you vaccine junkies will be on your fifth or sixth needle (and longing for another) so I would have a bit of catching up to do.

Wait till you find out how many yellow fever / tetanus etc vaccines I've had in my life time

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Forget "could have" - it absolutely does. It's been well documented now that:

1) The AZ vaccine increases (by a tiny amount) the risk of particular types of blood clots
2) Covid-19 increase (by a much larger amount) the risk of blood clots

3) The mRNA vaccines increase (by small amounts) the risk of some heart conditions (pericarditis and myocarditis)
4) Covid-19 increases the risk for those conditions by substantially more

Given that Covid increases the risk of these conditions, it is entirely unsurprising that the vaccines do as well. But given the vaccines increase the risk by substantially less than Covid does, the balance of risk suggests you should have the vaccine unless you have clear medical contraindications (in which case you should be doing everything else possible to avoid Covid, as you'll be high risk of being killed by it).

Quite.