[Football] Disparity in earnings

[schmunk]

I was very aware of Ranger's cases 1 and 2. There were sophisticated tax schemes set up for the wealthy and high earners, some famous celebs and broadcasters included.

The poster was talking about an IT employee at his firm, who simply set up a small limited company five years ago and was paid 3x as much as a freelancer, and boasted that he paid a grand total of 10% in corporate and personal taxes on the whole lot (through a basic salary and dividends). For the average Joe consultant grossing fantastic money like that, typically £300 to £750 an hour (equating to several £100k a year), and I've known many, 10% was not the tax rate 5 years ago. It did definitely paid off compared to be employed, but not to that extent.

Totally agree with you about EBT's plus the Image Rights scam.

There were lots of offshore umbrellas offering EBT loan schemes, under various names and subtleties, to average Joe contractors back in the day. I had a couple of former IT contractors for my company sniffing around with a form letter from some website trying to scare us into indemnitying them for the loan charge. I told them where to stick it and haven't heard back.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What's the suggestion for removing this disparity then?

Ask [MENTION=15363]Plooks[/MENTION] - he appears to be an expert and have all the answers.

 

[nwgull]

Ask [MENTION=15363]Plooks[/MENTION] - he appears to be an expert and have all the answers.

I suppose a salary cap could be implemented, but then there'd be a huge drain of talent as any decent player in the top 2-3 divisions would go and play abroad, and that'd include most English players as the ones that didn't qualify for a work permit would mostly manage to find Irish ancestry to get themselves an EU passport. We'd end up going from watching one of the most entertaining and technically skilled leagues in the world to watching SPL level football.

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

Everyone who is defending their low wages and under-funding. Everyone who voted tory. Everyone who is ok with them being paid less.

And people’s here call me delusianal

Regards
DR

 

[nwgull]

What!? Apart from all those explaining why they get PAID more!? That means they are more important to them.

How many top level players do to think we’d have signed over the last several transfer windows if we offered them 30K a year? None. There’s your answer.

 

[schmunk]

How many NHS workers would we have if we offered them decent salaries? Maybe it would not be understaffed.

Fewer, because the staffing budget would be blown.

It does, of course, depend on what you consider "decent". That we have staff in place for the vast majority of posts shows that there are a lot of people who consider the current salaries to be decent enough.

 

[SK1NT]

I am sorry if this has been aired on another thread but I couldn’t find it.

Recent publication said the some BHA players are on £50k per week, obviously those at larger clubs are on hugely more. Do you think this will be a watershed in addressing the disparity between top level football and nurses? A player earns more in a week than a nurse in a year, or one player would pay for 50 nurses. Difficult to believe that reflects their contribution to society.

I am not suggesting this is the players’ fault in any way, the whole system is skewed.

To answer my own question, I don’t anticipate a major change but I wish there would be one.

I know it is not the players fault and naturally they will take as much as they can get however this is one of the main reasons that as i get older i find i have less and less in common with anything about football. Increased poverty, increase in food banks, poor salaries for the what i would call the most important in the community (nurses, police, fire service, teachers etc) and yet footballers getting a weekly salary double the national average, and these are the lowest earners in the prem. It's sick. I would love to see key workers always earn the average salary and a half as a starting wage.


Hard to compare the two directly.

 

[beorhthelm]

How many NHS workers would we have if we offered them decent salaries? Maybe it would not be understaffed.

is 1.5 million understaffed?

 

[Hiney]

I think Plooks' lobotomy scar must be playing up.

Either that or he's just a complete ****.

 

[Southern Scouse]

As I came home this afternoon following a 12 shift on a C19 Ambulance I was made aware by a colleague that the 80% wage guarantee up to £2500 a month was in fact £350 pound a month more than I get on a full wage.
It’s a good job I don’t do it for the money but the vast majority of my colleagues do.
Makes you think...

 

[LamieRobertson]

I am sorry if this has been aired on another thread but I couldn’t find it.

Recent publication said the some BHA players are on £50k per week, obviously those at larger clubs are on hugely more. Do you think this will be a watershed in addressing the disparity between top level football and nurses? A player earns more in a week than a nurse in a year, or one player would pay for 50 nurses. Difficult to believe that reflects their contribution to society.

I am not suggesting this is the players’ fault in any way, the whole system is skewed.

To answer my own question, I don’t anticipate a major change but I wish there would be one.[/QUOTE]

To go back to your original post ....yes the ‘system’ is skewed....has been as long as i have been alive....loads of undervalued people across the professions. I have no answer as to how it can be changed..but we could start at least by valuing and respecting the people across a whole gambit of things

 

[El Presidente]

I think Plooks' lobotomy scar must be playing up.

Either that or he's just a complete ****.

This post has been reported for ‘offensive unwarranted abuse’.

Having being discussed by the mods the conclusion is

Offensive...yes
Abuse...yes
Unwarranted...nope

 

[SK1NT]

With footballers, only the best foreign players get visas to work here

disagree with this some proper poo players come over

 

[Westdene Seagull]

How is it not unwarranted? Why is asking for the NHS staff to be paid more and funded more grounds for abuse?

Because you've failed to say how we pay all NHS staff double wages - all 1.5m of them. Where is the money coming from to do this ?

 

[Bold Seagull]

So Levy has asked all non-playing staff at Spurs to take a 25% pay cut as they all have to do their bit.

Presiding over Spurs massively delayed and over budget stadium, continued silverware-less season after season, Levy took home £7m in earnings last year according to Spurs accounts. Everyone doing their bit Daniel?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Because you've failed to say how we pay all NHS staff double wages - all 1.5m of them. Where is the money coming from to do this ?

Where’s the money coming to do any of this?

Where is the 80% of thousands, probably millions of people’s salaries coming from? Where is the collateral to guarantee the billions in government backed loans? The millions if not billions to rapidly expand the NHS, setting up new facilities, new equipment?

I have no idea. It’s magic money tree time make no mistake.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I am just saying pay them more and fund them more and hire more of them! How is that being a complete ****!?

Hear hear.

The freezing of their pay through austerity as late as 2017 was a disgrace. The under funding of the NHS so that it has no contingency capacity or equipment so that it operates at capacity through a normal winter is a disgrace.

We’ll now be paying obscene amounts for ventilators, ppe, temporary buildings and adaption of them.

Perhaps after all this, the current mindset of not taxing wealth proportionally to properly cover essential services, instead of cutting/freezing the pay of those key staff already on low pay to pay for the mistakes of others will stop. We have to have a fresh outlook after this. It cannot be down to austerity to pay for this again. There has to be another way.

 

[nwgull]

How is it not unwarranted? Why is asking for the NHS staff to be paid more and funded more grounds for abuse?

Coz you're a prick.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Where’s the money coming to do any of this?

Where is the 80% of thousands, probably millions of people’s salaries coming from? Where is the collateral to guarantee the billions in government backed loans? The millions if not billions to rapidly expand the NHS, setting up new facilities, new equipment?

I have no idea. It’s magic money tree time make no mistake.

Challenge being that the current billions being found is a one off. Doubling NHS staffs pay is an extra cost every year - 2018 spending on NHS salaries was around £40bn, that's a lot of extra money to find every year, year in year out. And for the avoidance of doubt, I agree NHS staff should be paid more but I have no idea where the money would come from.

 

[Commander]

The myth that your worth and ability is connected to wages is utter bullshit. Quite frankly it is disgusting.

Thing is, there are far more people in the country who have the ability to be a nurse, than to be a footballer. Like millions and millions more.

You also have to work a lot harder to become a footballer than you do a nurse. I'm sure that will be an unpopular opinion, but it is true.

Nurses should clearly be paid more, but to try and claim that being a footballer is easy and a nurse is hard isn't really true. How many promising footballers don't make the grade? Millions and millions. How many people who want to be nurses don't?

Footballers are clearly grossly overpaid, but at the end of the day they create hundreds of millions of pounds for their employers. Should that money just sit in Tony Bloom's bank account instead?