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Surely Dick is not simply accepting performances as he appears willing (along with the board presumably) to back the manager when he said he needed some bodies in. Of course, this may be a moot point if we do not find anyone we want or we can't come to an agreement with another club.

On paper, the transfers into the club were of decent pedigree. Although the best of the bunch was an unknown (Hawkins - agree with you).

I do agree with you and feel the standard of play is inferior to last season despite what people will have you believe. It may take a little while to settle things down a bit and we seem to be losing players at regular intervals, but it is difficult to not get too disheartened by the insipid performances at home. It is frustrating, but the team seems nervous at home. A misplaced pass is met with a series of groans that can be heard for miles as the atmosphere is now officially sub-zero. We dearly need a crowd pleaser and fast. Someone to get the dicky tickers racing.

I think Walsall is a must win really. Not really in relation to our final league position, but people are obviously restless. The boos will grow if we do not break the Withdean duck soon.
 




BensGrandad

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I know that the BZ of this world are hard to find but at the moment we do not have 1 player other than possibly Forster who lifts the supporters and who they expect to score a goal, showa bit of trickery or slot ina good pass to have them on the edge of their seat in expectation. The only thing that stirs the crowd is a poor referee so perhaps we need Phil Prosser back to ref on Saturday or Jamial Singh
 


Knotty

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The answers as they appear at the moment are:
1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes.

I accept that these things take time but we have had since May to re-adjust and strengthen the side but appear to have failed miserably as those brought in have not set the world alight. Hawkins is the best by far, Livermore despite being a regular in a Championship winning side does not look to be up to the mark neither does Virgo but in fairness to both it would appear that MA & Co do not know their best positions. McLeod looks promising but appears to have taken Paul Kitsons place in the treatment room.

The players from last season, although it is reputed enjoy their time more in training, do not appear to have got any better for it.

The general standard of play is inferior and less attractive this season. Supporters will accept route 1 or partial route 1 if the results improve but it is open to debate whether or not that has happened although we have had a couple of decent wins and a first ever draw at Yeovil. The performances by which the club are judged and the fans give money to the club for a seat are the homes games and the performances there have been dismal.

Are you saying that the club is financially able to bring in better players, but that the chairman is 'accepting' the current situation and deliberately not bringing in those players?
 


BensGrandad

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Are you saying that the club is financially able to bring in better players, but that the chairman is 'accepting' the current situation and deliberately not bringing in those players?

No, what I am suggesting is that he is not as concerned about the poor performances, especially at home as we are, and perhaps does not see it as an immediate problem.
 


Knotty

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No, what I am suggesting is that he is not as concerned about the poor performances, especially at home as we are, and perhaps does not see it as an immediate problem.

Sorry BG but I just can't see how you can even guess at his views without hearing what he has to say. Just because the home performances have not been as good as we were expecting doesn't mean that he is happy with them.

What can he do to change it? He can't influence the training of the current players and if the club doesn't have the money, he can't buy the calibre of players that would improve it.
 




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I know that the BZ of this world are hard to find but at the moment we do not have 1 player other than possibly Forster who lifts the supporters and who they expect to score a goal, showa bit of trickery or slot ina good pass to have them on the edge of their seat in expectation. The only thing that stirs the crowd is a poor referee so perhaps we need Phil Prosser back to ref on Saturday or Jamial Singh

McLeod
 


BensGrandad

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This is a fans forum whereby the fans expressa view rightly or wrongly, either with informed opinion or otherwise. I do not profess to know what is in DK mind or how hard he or the management staff have tried to bring in new blood. I can only give an opinion based upon how it appears to me and that is that he and the management staff are happy to let it drift along as it is. As I said earlier they have had ample time and opportunity to have brought in other players not neccessarily named players but like MA did last time around player of whom he knew could do the job required. That hasnt happened very successfully this time around and as a result the home performances have been dire and the gates will suffer as a result.
 


Icy Gull

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Well I've only made the Orient game this season but it seems none of the other home games was any more enjoyable, the style of play was nothing short of gormless so I'd lay the blame 100% at the manager's and player's doors not Dick Knights. If after 10 home games it's still the same then I'll be shifting the blame :lol:
 




BensGrandad

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Is this the same McLeod who looked good against Worthing and has been injured for most of the time since then. I would agree he has looked good but he is injured once again as could be said for most of the time with Paul Kitson, good when he played but didnt play enough.
 


Knotty

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This is a fans forum whereby the fans expressa view rightly or wrongly, either with informed opinion or otherwise. I do not profess to know what is in DK mind or how hard he or the management staff have tried to bring in new blood. I can only give an opinion based upon how it appears to me and that is that he and the management staff are happy to let it drift along as it is. As I said earlier they have had ample time and opportunity to have brought in other players not neccessarily named players but like MA did last time around player of whom he knew could do the job required. That hasnt happened very successfully this time around and as a result the home performances have been dire and the gates will suffer as a result.

OK but I am staggered that you can form such a negative opinion of the chairman without some input from him to back up that opinion.

I have seen or heard NOTHING that leads me to believe that he is 'happy to let it drift on as it is'. That implies that he could do something about it but is not willing to. How do you know that he is not as uneasy as we are, but that he is unable to do anything about it?
 


Is this the same McLeod who looked good against Worthing and has been injured for most of the time since then. I would agree he has looked good but he is injured once again as could be said for most of the time with Paul Kitson, good when he played but didnt play enough.

He was injured during the Barnet game and one of the failings seems to have been bringing him back too early. He only played the second half against Orient and was clearly (as Hawkins) not 100% fit against Scunthorpe as MA sort of admitted afterwards.
Selection decisions are made by the team management and it is they who should carry the can, not the Board, as they should for the tactics we've generally adopted at home this season.
 




BensGrandad

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There was an American president who had a sign on his desk 'The Buck stops here' , I cannot remember which one, but simarly DK should have that sign on his desk because at the end of the day it is true in BHAs case.
 


There was an American president who had a sign on his desk 'The Buck stops here' , I cannot remember which one, but simarly DK should have that sign on his desk because at the end of the day it is true in BHAs case.

Don't quite agree with the analogy BG.
The chairman of a Ltd company is elected/appointed by the company directors to be the "public face" of the company; he'll also chair the board meetings but in most companies the chairman doesn't get directly involved with any operational stuff.
It's easy to assume that DK, as this figurehead, has absolute/dictator powers at BHA but in truth that's unlikely to be the case - he's just one member of the board with one vote and they, the directors, are collectively in charge of this circus.
Now the American presidency is very different set-up - he/she can (and does) do all sorts of things for four years without reference to anybody, so such a sign seems entirely appropriate.
 






withdeanwombat

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Obviously what we need to do is sign a lot of players we cannot afford,wait for adninistration and the points penalty to follow,get relegated and stitch up the taxman and the first aid providers.
 


Couldn't Be Hyypia

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There could be a case of being over simplistic here as well.

Signing players is not just a function of how much you offer them. there are many other factors involved as well - signing on fees, agent's sticky fingers, the players (agents) perception of BHA / Withdean / stadium saga, location of players family, length and terms of contract, team strength (ie will the player get regular football), bonuses and so on. And on top of that you can then add whether we can afford to pay for / pay the player in the first place. Then for loan players yuo can add a whole nother layer of issues - situation at current club, percentage of wages paid, terms and on and on.

I don't think DK is stopping us signing players - I think players are hard to sign even if you have the cash and BHA is not a very attractive proposition at the moment to many players.
 


BensGrandad

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Don't quite agree with the analogy BG.
The chairman of a Ltd company is elected/appointed by the company directors to be the "public face" of the company; he'll also chair the board meetings but in most companies the chairman doesn't get directly involved with any operational stuff.
It's easy to assume that DK, as this figurehead, has absolute/dictator powers at BHA but in truth that's unlikely to be the case - he's just one member of the board with one vote and they, the directors, are collectively in charge of this circus.
Now the American presidency is very different set-up - he/she can (and does) do all sorts of things for four years without reference to anybody, so such a sign seems entirely appropriate.


The general consensus of opinion expressed on her is that DK rules the club whether that be the right or wrong opinion I do not know because I do not have the intimate knowledge of who does what but at the end of the day somebody has to stand up and be counted as being responsible for the dire performances at home. The management team, the players whoever are directly responsible to either DK or KB or whoever assumes command.
 


Knotty

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The general consensus of opinion expressed on her is that DK rules the club whether that be the right or wrong opinion I do not know because I do not have the intimate knowledge of who does what but at the end of the day somebody has to stand up and be counted as being responsible for the dire performances at home. The management team, the players whoever are directly responsible to either DK or KB or whoever assumes command.

I wouldn't ever take the general concensus of opinion on NSC as being a reliable indicator of what actually goes on at the club!
 




British Bulldog

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I know that the BZ of this world are hard to find but at the moment we do not have 1 player other than possibly Forster who lifts the supporters and who they expect to score a goal, showa bit of trickery or slot ina good pass to have them on the edge of their seat in expectation. The only thing that stirs the crowd is a poor referee so perhaps we need Phil Prosser back to ref on Saturday or Jamial Singh

Fear not according to the Argus Paul Brooker is back training with the Albion.
 




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