Dick Knight Interview

[El Presidente]

Any chance you could take your "stupid hat" off, and give your analysis of the news about RBS and LLoyds re; their alleged £500 billion debt the Government is taking on...?

Is it good news overall, or bad news...? Difficult to tell when Lord Haw Haw (robert Peston) is giving his views.

It's bad news for the taxpayer, good news for employees of the two banks. An inevitability for the UK as a whole.

The problem is that the banks have become so large that they are calling the shots rather than the Treasury.

The situation is not as bad as last Autumn, in which at one point we were within 24 hours of the whole banking sector collapsing, as some banks were threatening to pull out of the BACS system, as they were not convinced that all the banks would survive, and so had decided they would not honour cheques drawn on other banks, or allow cash withdrawals from customers of their rivals from ATM machines.

 

[cjd]

It's bad news for the taxpayer, good news for employees of the two banks. An inevitability for the UK as a whole.

The problem is that the banks have become so large that they are calling the shots rather than the Treasury.

The situation is not as bad as last Autumn, in which at one point we were within 24 hours of the whole banking sector collapsing, as some banks were threatening to pull out of the BACS system, as they were not convinced that all the banks would survive, and so had decided they would not honour cheques drawn on other banks, or allow cash withdrawals from customers of their rivals from ATM machines.

Many thanks.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I think you will find that the people with the sharp instrument have the surname Bloom, and the person being poked is called Knight.

I know he is the mouth piece, if he is prepared to let someone(allegedly)bully him he really is to limp to be the face of BHAFC.

 

[El Presidente]

I know he is the mouth piece, if he is prepared to let someone(allegedly)bully him he really is to limp to be the face of BHAFC.

So what is your solution then? DK loves the club, he has put millions into it, but extra finance is required. He therefore swallows his pride for the sake of the club's financial future.

Seems an honourable way to behave to me.

 

[Knotty]

Whats so outrageous about allowing the Board at the time doing what they were legally and commercially entitled to do ?

You should check with Paul Samrah on that one.

Apologies, I've broken my own rule in replying to you, but I'm sure you would not want to be ignorant of relevant facts.

 

[BigGully]

You should check with Paul Samrah on that one.

Apologies, I've broken my own rule in replying to you, but I'm sure you would not want to be ignorant of relevant facts.

You would of been there telling us mere customers that its their club and we have no right to know or form a view on their conduct and certainly no right to protest against anything that those people were doing at the time, it was their club, wasn't it ?

There are post after post which you spout the same drivel, c'mon.

Paul Samrah, he is just another mere customer, whats it got to do with him ??

 

[Knotty]

You would of been there telling us mere customers that its their club and we have no right to know or form a view on their conduct and certainly no right to protest against anything that those people were doing at the time, it was their club, wasn't it ?

There are post after post which you spout the same drivel, c'mon.

Paul Samrah, he is just another mere customer, whats it got to do with him ??

Just check on the history of the club at that time and why Paul and others got involved. The clue is in the words I highlighted in your previous post.

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

Just check on the history of the club at that time and why Paul and others got involved. The clue is in the words I highlighted in your previous post.

well done. You can highlight, only trouble is that the shareholders merely exercised their right to amend the articles of association and sell the assets of the company. Morally indefensible but perfectly legal as far as I recall.

 

[sten_super]

Are people here really trying to make a comparison between Archer and Bellotti changing the articles of association and flogging the Goldstone and DK sacking a couple of managers? For fucks' sake get a grip.

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

no. And apologies to the current board if that is the impression. What I'm trying to get acoss to knotty is that ....

Sod it. I've just deleted a lengthy explanation as to why. I really haven't the time nor the patience to debate further. Time for me to do some work

 

[Easy 10]

Are people here really trying to make a comparison between Archer and Bellotti changing the articles of association and flogging the Goldstone and DK sacking a couple of managers? For fucks' sake get a grip.

It needed saying.
And it was well said.

 

[BigGully]

Are people here really trying to make a comparison between Archer and Bellotti changing the articles of association and flogging the Goldstone and DK sacking a couple of managers? For fucks' sake get a grip.

No they weren't,

The comparison is that some, especially Knotty seem to think that any post that may question the conduct of the Board or others within the club should immediately be reminded that it is their club and as mere customers our comments are irrelevant and therefore lack validity.

To the point that we actually have no right to know in the first instance and have no right to know anything anyway.

I suggested that his flawed principle cuts off debate on NSC and such a stance would of lended some support to the actions of the Archer brigade, no doubt.

I do accept that he is not a supporter of Archer etc. but I hope that next time anyone offers a view that is contrary to his, he will not just offer the normal 'well they can' .... 'we have no right to know' ... 'its their club' .... 'we are mere customer' drivel.

He tells me he is offended.

 

[The Large One]

The massive difference here is the right to know the intimate details of a given transaction, not actual transaction itself.

The thing we're being told is that Micky is leaving the club - and that to many fans (rightly or wrongly) makes sense and is acceptable. The intimate details of any settlement are not for the public domain - nor should they be. When Bellotti fired Barry Lloyd, for instance, the details weren't asked for.

With Archer and Stanley, the ground was sold, they denied it, then eventually confirmed it. What the three Pauls did (Bracchi, Samrah and Welch) was to ascertain WHY this was being done because it was a transaction that did not make sense. After the merest of digging, that was when much of the skullduggery was realised.

In other words, people will challenge actions and decisions when they don't make obvious sense, which is not strictly the case this week.

 

[The Large One]

well done. You can highlight, only trouble is that the shareholders merely exercised their right to amend the articles of association and sell the assets of the company. Morally indefensible but perfectly legal as far as I recall.

If they wanted to continue as a football club, they did not have the right to amend the Articles of Association, at least not without informing the FA about it.

 

[Acker79]

The massive difference here is the right to know the intimate details of a given transaction, not actual transaction itself.

The thing we're being told is that Micky is leaving the club - and that to many fans (rightly or wrongly) makes sense and is acceptable. The intimate details of any settlement are not for the public domain - nor should they be. When Bellotti fired Barry Lloyd, for instance, the details weren't asked for.

With Archer and Stanley, the ground was sold, they denied it, then eventually confirmed it. What the three Pauls did (Bracchi, Samrah and Welch) was to ascertain WHY this was being done because it was a transaction that did not make sense. After the merest of digging, that was when much of the skullduggery was realised.

In other words, people will challenge actions and decisions when they don't make obvious sense, which is not strictly the case this week.

I think the majority of fans may think the firing of MA makes sense, but the timing of it doesn't, neither does the run of events as put forward into the public domain by DK (a meeting between a man who refuses to quit and a man who doesn't want to fire him results in MA leaving by mutual consent, without any indication of input from the rest of the board, which would be needed for such a decision).

Also, the details of how much the ground was sold for and who profits from it (i.e. the skullduggery behind the sale) can be discribed as 'the intimate details' behind the decison to sell the ground.

 

[The Large One]

I think the majority of fans may think the firing of MA makes sense, but the timing of it doesn't, neither does the run of events as put forward into the public domain by DK (a meeting between a man who refuses to quit and a man who doesn't want to fire him results in MA leaving by mutual consent, without any indication of input from the rest of the board, which would be needed for such a decision).

Also, the details of how much the ground was sold for and who profits from it (i.e. the skullduggery behind the sale) can be discribed as 'the intimate details' behind the decison to sell the ground.

To me, the timing is only curious insofar as Micky knew a meeting was in the offing on Tuesday, but didn't have it until Friday. I think Dick needed to go into that meeting with Micky, knowing what he was going in with from the Board, and who was saying what. We know there was an some indication of input from the Board, because Dick informed Micky that he (Micky) didn't have its backing. The fact that we don't know exactly what the Board said would be an 'intimate detail'. That would make sense.

Regarding the ground sale, the details ultimately were the explanation behind the transaction. If the club had said, 'we're selling the ground to pay off debts, and we're doing X, Y and Z until we find a new ground...' there would have been far less digging. But they didn't. Ironically, the club's arrogance and nonchalance towards the fans ultimately led on to it being its saving grace. Not that anyone could ever give them credit for it, although if you asked Bellotti, he'd probably demand some.

 

[Icy Gull]

If they wanted to continue as a football club, they did not have the right to amend the Articles of Association, at least not without informing the FA about it.

Isn't that the whole point though, that they didn't care if we continued as a football club, or am I being dense ( not unknown)?

 

[Acker79]

To me, the timing is only curious insofar as Micky knew a meeting was in the offing on Tuesday, but didn't have it until Friday. I think Dick needed to go into that meeting with Micky, knowing what he was going in with from the Board, and who was saying what. We know there was an some indication of input from the Board, because Dick informed Micky that he (Micky) didn't have its backing. The fact that we don't know exactly what the Board said would be an 'intimate detail'. That would make sense.

But DK told us they always have meetings before games, and he thought this would be another regular pre-match meeting.

The rest of that is your own supposition, isn't it, or are you part of the "inner circle"? I don't know what DK knew going into the meeting, I don't know what DK told Micky, he hasn't made that public knowledge as far as I'm aware.

I don't mean to repeat myself, but essentially, DK has come out and said "I went into the meeting expecting/wanting MA in the dugout" Micky had made it abundantly clear wednesday, thursday, friday that he had no intention of quitting. Yet they walked out the meeting with mutual consent of MA leaving.

You seem to be making your own assumptions to have that turn of events make sense (assuming DK told MA this, that DK had the authority to act/negotiate should certain circumstances arrive, etc.).

 

[The Large One]

Isn't that the whole point though, that they didn't care if we continued as a football club, or am I being dense ( not unknown)?

Oh yeah, that's the point.

Still shit though.

 

[The Large One]

But DK told us they always have meetings before games, and he thought this would be another regular pre-match meeting.

The rest of that is your own supposition, isn't it, or are you part of the "inner circle"? I don't know what DK knew going into the meeting, I don't know what DK told Micky, he hasn't made that public knowledge as far as I'm aware.

I don't mean to repeat myself, but essentially, DK has come out and said "I went into the meeting expecting/wanting MA in the dugout" Micky had made it abundantly clear wednesday, thursday, friday that he had no intention of quitting. Yet they walked out the meeting with mutual consent of MA leaving.

You seem to be making your own assumptions to have that turn of events make sense (assuming DK told MA this, that DK had the authority to act/negotiate should certain circumstances arrive, etc.).

You never had a time with a girlfriend when things aren't going well in your relationship, so you during a conversation which never started out as an intention to split up, but after talking for a while you come to a point where you realise that doing do is for the best? There are many parallels here.

You're right about me making some assumptions as to the content of the conversation, but I can imagine a scenario where neither 'intends' (which is different from saying they will or won't) to split from the other, but they still do. That's why I say it could make sense.

Unless what has been posted here is pure speculation, I thought that Dick said that he told Micky that he didn't have the backing of the Board. If that is the case, how would Dick know that if he hadn't asked them? If Dick hasn't said that, then I am taking the word of some as gospel when it is actually speculation, for which I ought to go back and check the quotes.

Personally, after reading Micky's quotes after the Luton game, I find it hard to believe that he didn't have it in the back of his mind that he was going.