[News] "Dianne Abbott at the darts" / Antoine Griezzman fancy dress

[Neville's Breakfast]

Was listening to a programme about gollywogs or gollydolls. Not one black person was especially offended or against them but white people seemed quite against them. In fact one black guy was exasperated at the outrage. Not offering an opinion on that just relaying the content.

Shows the pitfalls of people on NSC and elsewhere attempting to speak on behalf of a group of people who are not actually a cohesive group. They may only have skin colour in common and wildly differing views on everything and yet some people persist in generalizing whether in their defence or when attacking them.

 

[alfredmizen]

Oh give over FFS. You forget, I see your Facebook feed. It's not like black people are prominent. It's not like they are on mine either, mind (or Wozzas) but then I'm not pretending to speak for them.

my younger cousins had a far higher proportion of black friends than me , black people aren’t prominent on their Facebook feeds either , it’s a sad fact that black and white kids lose touch a lot of the time once they leave school.

 

[Wozza]

You need to get some perspective. The bloke at the darts was guilty of showing bad taste. It is clearly not an ‘international issue.’ There are actual bad people doing bad things in the world. Your middle class angst is getting in the way of common sense.

I was specifically responding to Simster who, apparently, hasn't decided if blacking up is offensive or not.

Blacking up is an international topic. There's even an example in the very first post in this thread.

Now, I'm done. Merry Xmas.

 

[Taybha]

Shes on the case and the main protagonists are now being dealt with .

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I was specifically responding to Simster who, apparently, hasn't decided if blacking up is offensive or not.

Blacking up is an international topic. There's even an example in the very first post in this thread.

Now, I'm done. Merry Xmas.

Merry Christmas to you too

 

[1066familyman]

"Black Brit" - wtf? The fact that you think this is a British, rather than international, issue suggests that you still have quite a bit of research to do.

No it doesn't. It suggests that he knows that 'black people' are not one homogenous group. What offends one set of people in one country/culture can be very different to what offends in another. There's a generation thing to add into the mix too. It really isn't as simple as, pardon the pun, black and white.

 

[Buzzer]

You say sadly, but these cosmetics to whiteface people in places like India are widely used and advertised.
If Indians want to identify as white people whats wrong with that?

What's right with it!?

I don't know where to begin if you don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's on a whole different level to someone blacking up at the darts that's for sure.

Once again, I'm in complete agreement with 1066familyman. Black people bleaching their skin is completely different to white people blacking up. For a start, blacking up is temporary and done for amusement. There's nothing funny about skin whitening.

Sadly, we live in a world where skin colour is one of the most important status symbols, even the most ethnically mixed of countries such as Brazil are proof of this. In Africa, the Caribbean and the Indian sub-continent, this message is reinforced in advertising all the time - ALL the time. This is why people bleach their skin. Everything is wrong with it and the health risks are huge. I've seen where it's gone horribly wrong so has every black S African/Nigerian but still people buy the stuff in the hope that it gets them a better future.

 

[Buzzer]

It's not desperate at all. I use Benn and Skinner as examples of Leave voters (you know as well as I do Benn would have voted Leave) who are about as far from Little Englanders as it's possible to be.

I think that just about the only thing Tony Benn advocated that I agreed with was when he spoke about constitutional matters and the sovereignty of Parliament. It wasn't just a pet subject with him but underpinned everything that he believed in. His book 'Letters To My Grandchildren' is fantastic, even for a dyed in the wool Tory like myself and shows that right up until his death he was firmly of the opinion that we should leave the EU. I'm in complete agreement with this extract from it:

The first basic right in a democracy must be the right of people to elect those who make their laws and the right to remove them; it is the only guarantee that those who make the laws will listen to those who have to obey them. Through membership of the European Union all the member countries have lost that right.

And deep down, we all know that Corbyn believes this too. As you say, there's nothing remotely Little Englander in thinking this way.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Once again, I'm in complete agreement with 1066familyman. Black people bleaching their skin is completely different to white people blacking up. For a start, blacking up is temporary and done for amusement. There's nothing funny about skin whitening.

Sadly, we live in a world where skin colour is one of the most important status symbols, even the most ethnically mixed of countries such as Brazil are proof of this. In Africa, the Caribbean and the Indian sub-continent, this message is reinforced in advertising all the time - ALL the time. This is why people bleach their skin. Everything is wrong with it and the health risks are huge. I've seen where it's gone horribly wrong so has every black S African/Nigerian but still people buy the stuff in the hope that it gets them a better future.

Very true. As you well know as I do, another aspect to skin whitening is the resentment and fuel it adds to the nationalist/traditionalist fire - it's a white mans world and all white people are evil, subjugating b**tards etc.

 

[Big G]

Genius.

Poor sod will be dragged through the courts though I expect as somebody will no doubt be offended on behalf of somebody else

Who will in no doubt go out of their way to be “offended”!
Which in turn pretty much proves the point of how pathetic and devoid of common sense society has become!
Because it’s all about the feelings of the offended isn’t it....the epitome of what’s so wrong with our country!

 

[worthingseagull123]

Bernerd Bresslaw in Carry on up the Jungle is playing the role of a native with darkened skin.

Does this offend anyone

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Bernerd Bresslaw in Carry on up the Jungle is playing the role of a native with darkened skin.

Does this offend anyone

Most Guardian readers If they're not offended on the behalf of ethnic minorities or have a patronising contempt for the white, poor working class they're not happy.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Bernerd Bresslaw in Carry on up the Jungle is playing the role of a native with darkened skin.

Does this offend anyone

Ha ha. Very funny.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Most Guardian readers If they're not offended on the behalf of ethnic minorities or have a patronising contempt for the white, poor working class they're not happy.

Whoooooooosh.

He got you there! Do you really believe Brits still watch Carry On? If I made such a joke I’d be accused of being patronising or something.

 

[jakarta]

Ha ha. Very funny.

Preferred his role as Bungdit Din in Carry on Up the Khyber myself...

Merry Christmas Herr T - look forward to crossing swords with you once more in 2018! Alles Gut?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Whoooooooosh.

He got you there! Do you really believe Brits still watch Carry On? If I made such a joke I’d be accused of being patronising or something.

Whoosh indeed. Many do watch Carry on ... a great British Institution. I would never accuse you of being offended on x ethnic communities behalf... withering contempt for the white UK working class .. oh yes,definetly guilty as charged. #champagnesocialist

Merry Christmas

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Preferred his role as Bungdit Din in Carry on Up the Khyber myself...

Merry Christmas Herr T - look forward to crossing swords with you once more in 2018! Alles Gut?

Cheers fella. And Merry Xmas to you as well. All good here thanks, lying on my hotel bed in Brighton watching Chatty Man.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Whoosh indeed. Many do watch Carry on ... a great British Institution. I would never accuse you of being offended on x ethnic communities behalf... withering contempt for the white UK working class .. oh yes,definetly guilty as charged. #champagnesocialist

Merry Christmas

And merry Xmas to you as well

 

[jakarta]

Cheers fella. And Merry Xmas to you as well. All good here thanks, lying on my hotel bed in Brighton watching Chatty Man.

Here for the Chelsea Game, just visiting friends & relatives - or both?

p.s. I'm a huge Carry On Fan, the cheesier the better.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Here for the Chelsea Game, just visiting friends & relatives - or both?

p.s. I'm a huge Carry On Fan, the cheesier the better.

I actually get to a number of games anyway (I still have a ST) so whilst I’ll be at Chelsea I’m not here specifically for the game; family and friends primarily.

I must admit I don’t know much about Carry On.