Diane Abbott Back!

[ManOfSussex]

If she has long term health issues that would not prevent her from undertaking her duties as an MP, then there's no reason for her to leave the shadow cabinet the day before the election.

Harold Wilson had health issues that contributed to his resignation as PM in 1976 but he carried on as an MP.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Why do you think I liked Blair/Brown any more than I like May? Where have I said that?

Chill out there fella! You tend to be edging here towards Labour, I could be very wrong of course, but weren't they a Labour Govt. dealing with a Saudi regime? Simple answer really.

 

[pb21]

If she has long term health issues that would not prevent her from undertaking her duties as an MP, then there's no reason for her to leave the shadow cabinet the day before the election.

Surely being shadow home secretary (or home secretary) entails more duties and responsibilities with an increased workload above and beyond those of a regular MP?

 

[Triggaaar]

Harold Wilson had health issues that contributed to his resignation as PM in 1976 but he carried on as an MP.

He wasn't found to be incapable by the public or media, he stepped down as he felt he didn't have the energy to fulfill the demanding job that is PM. Abbott (IMO) has been found to be incapable of doing her job. If that's because of ill health, it is very sad and I wish her well, but I would also expect her to stand down as an MP.

Surely being shadow home secretary (or home secretary) entails more duties and responsibilities with an increased workload above and beyond those of a regular MP?

Agreed, but answering a few questions in a few interviews does not demand more, and she's not been up to that.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Well I can't say I'm surprised, she's been the only thorn in JC's side

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[Weststander]

If the Trotskyists gain control of 10 Downing Street, Car Crash Abbott will be in the Cabinet in no time at all. Corbyn is loyal to comrades.

 

[Weststander]

Well I can't say I'm surprised, she's been the only thorn in JC's side

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John McDonnell?

As recently as two years ago signing a document (he now admits this) calling for the end of MI5 and all of our security services. As well as openly advocating the end of free enterprise.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Harold Wilson had health issues that contributed to his resignation as PM in 1976 but he carried on as an MP.

As did Mo Mowlam, who was diagnosed with a brain tumour in 1997, but continued to be MP for Redcar until 2001, while making a massive contribution towards the Northern Ireland peace process during that period in her role as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

Much as I hate to say it, on the face of things, Diane Abbott's ill health stepping down does seem a tad strategic.

 

[ManOfSussex]

He wasn't found to be incapable by the public or media, he stepped down as he felt he didn't have the energy to fulfill the demanding job that is PM. Abbott (IMO) has been found to be incapable of doing her job. If that's because of ill health, it is very sad and I wish her well, but I would also expect her to stand down as an MP.

Harold Wilson's health in 1976 was affected by early-onset Alzheimer's. This is where Diane Abbott's is now, if speculation is to be believed. Until all the facts emerge about what was known and by whom and how serious her health is, she can't stand down before tomorrows election, as she's on the ballot paper.

As I say, we'll have to see what was known and by whom and how serious her health is, but I feel very sorry for her and wish her all the best for the future outside of politics.

 

[pb21]

Agreed, but answering a few questions in a few interviews does not demand more, and she's not been up to that.

Well being interviewed carries it's own pressures.

Maybe I'm being naive but I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that she is ill and that is affecting her at the moment more so than it may be expected to in the future, or may not.

I'm going to hold off leveling any further criticism her way until it's clear.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Think she (or others) have maybe realised she's hit her own personal ceiling.

 

[Triggaaar]

Harold Wilson's health in 1976 was affected by early-onset Alzheimer's.

That's not a fact. And he wasn't failing as PM.

she can't stand down before tomorrows election, as she's on the ballot paper.

No, but if she is seriously ill, she could say that she will be standing down if she wins etc.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

yep 7 years to do something about terrorists, borders, policing and what did she do ...............well not a lot really
and this is the person we want to negotiate Brexit .......you really are having a laugh

That's a bit like the folk on here that cry "<Manager's name> OUT !" when we have a couple of bad results.

I'd respond to your statement above in the same way - Show me the other better candidates ready to step in and do it. Perhaps Alan Sugar could do a job?
Everyone want's to claim that <politician name> will do a bad job of negotiating the Brexit deal.
Truth is, no one knows exactly how difficult this will be and whether a good or bad deal will result.
But, someone has to do it ....

So, tell us your preferred Brexit negotiator so we may discuss his/her merits .....

 

[ManOfSussex]

That's not a fact. And he wasn't failing as PM.

Some neurologists today, based on new research that was unavailable then, believe he had though. His speech had changed in his final months in office, medical research indicates now this is caused by cognitive impairment brought on by early-onset Alzheimer's. His health went down-hill after stepping down and he was subsequently diagnosed with it.

No, but if she is seriously ill, she could say that she will be standing down if she wins etc.

Not sure if that would be a breach of electoral commission rules to stand as a candidate and state you're immediately stepping down afterwards? I would suspect the health issue will require discussion between her, her family and The Labour party at length before any decision can be made too.

 

[glasfryn]

That's a bit like the folk on here that cry "<Manager's name> OUT !" when we have a couple of bad results.

I'd respond to your statement above in the same way - Show me the other better candidates ready to step in and do it. Perhaps Alan Sugar could do a job?
Everyone want's to claim that <politician name> will do a bad job of negotiating the Brexit deal.
Truth is, no one knows exactly how difficult this will be and whether a good or bad deal will result.
But, someone has to do it ....

So, tell us your preferred Brexit negotiator so we may discuss his/her merits .....

you could name anyone who has not U-turned on just about anything she has changed her mind about .....in fact the referendum for a start.
see how she is allowed to change her mind on things but if anyone else does it and they are jumped on.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

yep 7 years to do something about terrorists, borders, policing and what did she do ...............well not a lot really
and this is the person we want to negotiate Brexit .......you really are having a laugh

May I humbly suggest in my very little knowledge of the machinations of the successive Governments, that 7/7/2005 was the worst terrorist attack in peace time Britain, which happened to be under a Labour Govt., with I assume, 20,000 more policeman? That worked well.

 

[Triggaaar]

Maybe I'm being naive but I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that she is ill and that is affecting her at the moment more so than it may be expected to in the future, or may not.

But if it's affecting her more now than it will (ie, she'll get better), then I don't see the reason for her to stand down. It can't be a long term illness that's only short term.

 

[Triggaaar]

Some neurologists today, based on new research that was unavailable then, believe he had though. His speech had changed in his final months in office, medical research indicates now this is caused by cognitive impairment brought on by early-onset Alzheimer's.

Fair enough, I didn't know that, but then he wouldn't have known at the time either. My understanding is that he simply said he didn't have the energy to deal with being a PM as he wanted to. That's not the same as we've seen happen with Abbott, who has not been performing well enough.

Not sure if that would be a breach of electoral commission rules to stand as a candidate and state you're immediately stepping down afterwards?

If you've suddenly become ill (say a heart attack, or stroke), I can't see the problem with saying you won't be able to carry on in politics, although your name will still be on the paper.

I would suspect the health issue will require discussion between her, her family and The Labour party at length before any decision can be made too.

Yep, but the timing of this change is very suspect.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

It is a horrible illness and I thank God both my mother and father didn't suffer with it - sorry for your dad.

Diane Abbott has been reported to have suffered with migraines but I just have a feeling that it could be early signs of AD.

Thank you - fortunately he only lasted 3 years, it could have strung out for many more with no life quality at all.

I know nothing of her condition, but it was the very first thing I thought of when I saw the interview.

 

[Chicken Run]

Whooooo?


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Let's see if she meets with HKFC's approval!