[Football] Derby shambles

[Icy Gull]

There is no way an insurance company is going to pay out on a shit faced footballer, getting into a car driven by someone equally shit faced.

It’s a good point but I’d be interested to know if it would stand up in court of law. The injured party was not driving and could be said to have been too pissed to be accountable for getting into a car driven by somebody equally pissed.

We must have a few legal bods on NSC, what say you?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That bar tab was from when they went on the lash after winning the play-off semis, remember it doing the rounds at the time.

Might explain why they never quite make it. And also explains why Rooney was so keen to join them. Sponsored by a bookie, a massive drinking culture, a fat salary...Rooney must be wondering if he died and went to heaven.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It’s a good point but I’d be interested to know if it would stand up in court of law. The injured party was not driving and could be said to have been too pissed to be accountable for getting into a car driven by somebody equally pissed.

We must have a few legal bods on NSC, what say you?

But being pissed isn’t a mitigating factor surely? You are still accountable for your actions.

 

[timbha]

It’s a good point but I’d be interested to know if it would stand up in court of law. The injured party was not driving and could be said to have been too pissed to be accountable for getting into a car driven by somebody equally pissed.

We must have a few legal bods on NSC, what say you?

Is the injured party Keogh or Derby? Derby were very quick to highlight that everyone had been warned and that transport home had been offered (damage limitation?)

Anyone not got pissed and been given a lift home from a works do before?

 

[Icy Gull]

But being pissed isn’t a mitigating factor surely? You are still accountable for your actions.

You may be right, I have no idea hence my question to anyone in the legal profession

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It’s a good point but I’d be interested to know if it would stand up in court of law. The injured party was not driving and could be said to have been too pissed to be accountable for getting into a car driven by somebody equally pissed.

We must have a few legal bods on NSC, what say you?

But being pissed isn’t a mitigating factor surely? You are still accountable for your actions.

However much of an idiot Keogh has been, his contribution to the events that caused his potentially career-ending injuries, was to not wear a seat belt (assuming the reports that he was sat across the rear seats, are correct). The two drivers involved in the accident were both acting illegally - miles over the drink limit, and possibly drugs, too. I’d expect that his insurance company would look the drivers’ insurers for recompense.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

However much of an idiot Keogh has been, his contribution to the events that caused his potentially career-ending injuries, was to not wear a seat belt (assuming the reports that he was sat across the rear seats, are correct). The two drivers involved in the accident were both acting illegally - miles over the drink limit, and possibly drugs, too. I’d expect that his insurance company would look the drivers’ insurers for recompense.

Wouldn’t the drivers insurer challenge this? In short, his drunkenness caused him to make a few daft decisions. Now if I got pissed and tripped over something. Whilst I could try and sue the person who left the item which caused my trip, there is a counter argument that had I not been pissed I would have seen it. Most of us manage to get through the day without doing something stupid which causes a career ending injury. And that’s because we make the right judgements. It doesn’t seem right you can act a complete cock and have others pay for you being a complete cock. He had a choice that evening.

Now. For obvious reasons I have no idea how the law works for situations like this. Maybe he will get a pay out; as is often said, the law is an ass.

 

[crodonilson]

Derby County footballers Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett have pleaded guilty to drink-driving.

The pair were charged after a Range Rover Sport and Mercedes GLC crashed in Derby after a team-building dinner.

At the city's magistrates' court they also admitted failing to stop at the scene of the crash on 24 September.

The court heard Lawrence, 25, gave a breath test reading of 58mcg per 100ml and Bennett a reading of 64. The legal limit is 35mcg per 100ml.

Welsh international Lawrence's vehicle crashed into the back of Bennett's on the A6 in Allestree shortly before midnight.

The pair left the scene but returned 45 minutes later, the court heard.

Derby captain Richard Keogh, who was a passenger in one of the cars, suffered a knee injury that has ruled him out for up to 15 months and could cruelly end his career at a club at which he is regarded as a legend.

Lawrence, of Duffield, and Bennett, 23, of Whaley Thorns near Mansfield, were fined six weeks' wages by the club after the crash.

Derby also condemned the players for bringing the club into disrepute following the "alcohol-related incident" but have since forgiven them for their indiscretions and they have been welcomed back into the first team.

Lawrence signed for Derby from Leicester City for £7m in August 2017, while Bennett came through the Rams' youth system and is rated as one of the hottest properties domestically outside of the Premier League.

 

[Gazwag]

Derby also condemned the players for bringing the club into disrepute following the "alcohol-related incident" but have since forgiven them for their indiscretions and they have been welcomed back into the first team.

You forgot to add "as the club desperately need to be in the top 6 so they are ready to throw away promotion again come May"

 

[rogersix]

RAMS.. Risk Assessment Method Statement

 

[Triggaaar]

There is no way an insurance company is going to pay out on a shit faced footballer, getting into a car driven by someone equally shit faced.

I'm not sure it's that clear cut. If (as a good citizen) you're drunk, you know you wouldn't even consider driving a car. You trust others to be the same, so you'd expect the person driving you to be sober and safe to drive. Of course if you were sober, you'd notice that they don't appear to be, but you are drunk so you're not in a state to notice these things.

 

[schmunk]

RAMS.. Risk Assessment Method's Shite

Fixed.

 

[rogersix]

Fixed.

lashed up, smashed up

 

[Meade's Ball]

I know that if i am ever out boozing and drunkenly board a vehicle to drive perilously into another vehicle and then a lamppost, following which i scarper from the scene, i'll write to Ryan Giggs to ask him to copy and paste one of his good character letters that i can hand to a judge. Maybe in exchange for a week with my wife.

 

[dazzer6666]

Derby County footballers Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett have pleaded guilty to drink-driving.

The pair were charged after a Range Rover Sport and Mercedes GLC crashed in Derby after a team-building dinner.

At the city's magistrates' court they also admitted failing to stop at the scene of the crash on 24 September.

The court heard Lawrence, 25, gave a breath test reading of 58mcg per 100ml and Bennett a reading of 64. The legal limit is 35mcg per 100ml.

Welsh international Lawrence's vehicle crashed into the back of Bennett's on the A6 in Allestree shortly before midnight.

The pair left the scene but returned 45 minutes later, the court heard.

Derby captain Richard Keogh, who was a passenger in one of the cars, suffered a knee injury that has ruled him out for up to 15 months and could cruelly end his career at a club at which he is regarded as a legend.

Lawrence, of Duffield, and Bennett, 23, of Whaley Thorns near Mansfield, were fined six weeks' wages by the club after the crash.

Derby also condemned the players for bringing the club into disrepute following the "alcohol-related incident" but have since forgiven them for their indiscretions and they have been welcomed back into the first team.

Lawrence signed for Derby from Leicester City for £7m in August 2017, while Bennett came through the Rams' youth system and is rated as one of the hottest properties domestically outside of the Premier League.

 

[studio150]

There is no way an insurance company is going to pay out on a shit faced footballer, getting into a car driven by someone equally shit faced.

No choice RTA 1988 S145(3)(a) requires a policy of insurance to cover any liability. Therefore if the driver is held liable for the injuries suffered by the passenger then the policy must respond. Whether the court consider mitigating factors and reduce the award is a matter for them.

 

[crodonilson]

Prison Avoided

Two Derby County footballers have avoided prison after they admitted drink-driving over a crash that left their club captain seriously injured.

The Wales international Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett were detained by police after the incident on the A6 near Allestree, Derby, shortly before midnight on 24 September. Both players admitted drink-driving and failing to stop at the scene of an accident when they appeared at Derby magistrates’ court on Tuesday.

District judge Jonathan Taaffee had warned the players that a prison sentence was an option but the men walked free from court after probation services told the hearing of concerns they would struggle in custody. He imposed a 12-month community order on both defendants, ordering them to carry out 80 hours of unpaid work, and banned them from driving for two years.

The judge told them both: “You are extremely fortunate to be here today. You had been drinking and have been involved in a road traffic collision that could have led to death. You are both intelligent and talented young men who have brought shame upon yourselves, your family, your profession and your club.” Mr Taaffe said Derby fans would be “incredulous” at what they had done.

Lawrence, 25, recorded a breath test reading of 58 microgrammes per 100ml and Bennett, 23, recorded a level of 64. The legal limit is 35. The club captain, Richard Keogh, suffered a serious leg injury in the crash, involving a Range Rover Sport and a Mercedes, and could be ruled out for the rest of the season.

Earlier the court heard from a probation officer, who said that Lawrence had told her he thought he would lose his job if he were jailed. She said he also said he thought prison would “mess with his head”. A second probation officer said that Bennett was “extremely concerned about the prospect of a custodial sentence given his high profile and undoubted talent”. She said the player told her he thought he would struggle with prison and he worried about the effect it would have on his four-year-old daughter.

Prosecutor Marianne Connally earlier told the court both players were driving home at about 11.30pm following a night out at the Joiner’s Arms pub in Derby. Ms Connally said Lawrence’s vehicle went into the rear of Bennett’s car, causing some damage. She said Lawrence’s car then went across a roundabout and collided with “assorted street furniture”.

Richard Keogh suffered a serious leg injury in the crash potentially ending his career as a top class professional footballer.

The prosecutor said a paramedic crew witnessed the crash “entirely by chance” and came to the aid of two passengers left at the scene in Lawrence’s vehicle as the defendants fled. One man was treated for facial injuries at the roadside.

Bennett left in his own car before the pair returned to the scene about 45 minutes later and were arrested by police, the prosecutor said. Lucy Whitaker, defending Bennett, said at one point in the night her client had a single Jagerbomb shot bought for him that didn't agree with him and made him sick.

Ms Whitaker said her client was driving “perfectly normally” on the way home and it was a “complete shock” to him when a car went into the back of him at the Burley Hill roundabout, near Allestree. Ms Whitaker said: “He did then panic.” She said that, after he left the scene, he got a call from Lawrence asking him to pick him up from a garage and they returned to the roundabout because they knew they had done wrong and were determined to put it right immediately.

Shaun Draycott, representing Lawrence, said references – including from the Wales manager, Ryan Giggs – testified to his client being a “decent young man who behaved out of character”. Mr Draycott said: “He damaged his vehicle, he damaged somebody else, but he has already suffered plenty as he has damaged his own reputation.”

He said Lawrence had become “quite dependent” on alcohol since the death of his mother, to whom he was very close. He said his mother’s death “has impacted greatly on this young man’s psychological health”.

This month Derby fined the pair the “equivalent of six weeks’ wages” and condemned them for bringing the club into disrepute. Both players also issued public apologies.

 

[blue-shifted]

We don't need the bs about 1 jagerbomb.

I don't think this should be imprisonable. But 80 hours service and only a 2 year driving ban is insufficient. They don't need to drive for their jobs. It should be more like 10 years. And the service should be clearing litter, grafiti etc, not footy lessons in schools.

 

[Ernest]

That will teach them , pathetically lenient

 

[Peteinblack]

"Earlier the court heard from a probation officer, who said that Lawrence had told her he thought he would lose his job if he were jailed. She said he also said he thought prison would “mess with his head”. A second probation officer said that Bennett was “extremely concerned about the prospect of a custodial sentence given his high profile and undoubted talent”. She said the player told her he thought he would struggle with prison."

FFS! These ******s should have thought of these things before getting in their cars sh*t-faced.

Another reminder that football is a beautiful sport, but played by some absolutely awful bell-ends; twats without a brain cell between them.

Bet they'll be out on the piss tonight celebrating and laughing about how they've got away with it. ****s.