[Albion] Deluded Leeds (an EFL club) fans

[Icy Gull]

Elitist claptrap. Sounds like that self serving article that Will Self wrote on the subject. By all means seek subtlety of vocabulary if we're writing poetry or literature, but we're not. We're writing opinions on a football fan forum. Our priority should be to communicate our message in the clearest way, and to allow ease of understanding for the widest possible audience. If we are truly concerned with expressing ourselves precisely, we would be better served checking back what we've written and removing obvious errors rather than pleasuring ourselves with our own choice of vocabulary.

Incidentally, you're not the only person on here who has a background in literature. To quote a great man from Yorkshire 'I read a book once. Green it was.'

 

[BN41Albion]

Well here's one...which funnily enough is called "Best Supported Teams". Admittedly it looks like the fella earlier was being a tad ambitious with his claim of top 3 or 4.

https://www.footballgroundmap.com/stats/teams/

Hopefully next season, once we can all get back to live games, you lot might be able try a tiny bit harder and see if you can climb above the mighty QPR and Charlton to get yourselves in the top 30 Should be a doddle now that you're such a well established and mighty premiership club

Wtf is that list?!
The best supported teams in this country would not average fewer in attendance than little old BHA for seasons on the trot. No way the top teams in terms of support would average between 22k and 25k in successive seasons for years, as you did, no matter how shit they were. Funny how you've all come flocking back now, though.

 

[R. Slicker]

It wouldn't have expressed what I wanted to say because it doesn't mean the same thing.

There is a perfectly adequate Latin word for unique, unicus. You may have noticed the similarity to English, it is kind of hard to miss.

Sui generis means of its kind, of its type, of its nature. If I said that generis is the word from which the English term "generic" is derived, does that make the difference clearer? It can be unique, special, different, but it isn't necessarily. Rather like Bielsa's football. His high press is not unique, many teams employ it, but it is special it is, well I will say it again, sui generis.

English is a truly wonderful language with a vast vocabulary, but there are still words of foreign origin which we use because we don't have the exact equivalent ourselves.
Often they are from Latin, in fact you use some of them yourself, I'll bet. Have you never used the term "status quo?" Or et cetera? Would THEY be pretentious? Then think of a French word like "chic." We don't have a better term for the concept, so we borrow it. The French do it in return, using English words.

Isn't one of the points of life to learn? I read widely, and I come across words and terms I don't know all the time and have to look up. I don't get angry at the writer, I don't think he or she is pretentious, I think that is an interesting word. What do they mean by that? Why don't you do the same?

I have read all of Orwell's (major) novels and most of his significant essays. I love the guy. But he is wrong here. He argues for an impoverishment of language it seems to me, and always has. There is a difference between being deliberately obfuscatory (which is rightly to be condemned) and failing to utilise all the richness of our beautiful language. (Of which he was a great exponent, by the way, writing prose as clear as a window pane).

Sure I could dumb down what I say, just use the simplest most everyday words and terms in my posts. A vocabulary of a few hundred words. But wouldn't that be incredibly patronising?

The only time I've ever wished i was a moderator. Who are you impressing to still be on here? At least 100 pages too long as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

The only time I've ever wished i was a moderator. Who are you impressing to still be on here? At least 100 pages too long as far as I'm concerned.

He's enjoying the attention. Must a desparately lonely individual to crave the attention of people he will never meet.

Best bet - ignore him.

 

[vagabond]

“We’re going to be massive knobheads...” 10/10 for honesty at least.

https://twitter.com/robmulholland/status/1289245375950454786

 

[jessiejames]

I'm going to stick my neck and suggest that this is clearly a spoof account. Nobody could be that dim!

This is the same person who joined upthecherries forum, giving it the same bolloxs..

Bin him I say.

 

[Killer Whale]

Having to do real, paid work this afternoon meant I was beaten to the punch regarding the sui generis nature of 3 1 3 1 3 - yeah, that certainly is unique (which would have done) what with it involving 12 men

But thanks for a considered, non-trolling reply which has probably put paid to the cries of "Palace!".

Norwich and Villa started off trying to play their way out of trouble but both massively struggled for goals. Pukki might have had his own way in the Championship but the PL defenders were far too good for him. Wesley struggled too (and was then never really replaced). I'm willing to bet that Bamford will be dealt with by every defence in this division so you'll need a striker - probably.

Probably?

You had goals from plenty of sources. This is where we (both Brighton and the Premier League) underestimated Sheffield United. An untried McBurnie and players in Sharp and McGoldrick who wouldn't particularly make you worry didn't seem that hard to deal with. But the way they play, using the 9 to hold it up while players from all over move forward, then making chippy little fouls to break it up and get back in position when they lost it, wasn't dealt with nearly well enough. The forwards got a few but they enabled chances and goals from Lundstram, Fleck and the wingbacks.

But (and sorry for this stereotype) I suspect many underestimated Sheffield United and their relatively under the radar journey from League One. The fact that you ARE the mighty Leeds United and were very much going up at the time of lockdown suspension leads me to suspect everyone will have been studying you hard. Does Bielsa have a Plan B? He'll need one.

Good spot on the formation howler. I was trying to include the playmaker and miscounted. Embarrassing.

To your final point, I don't think actually there is a Plan B with Bielsa. Storm out in a strop maybe?

It has been fun while he has been with us, anyway...

 

[rogersix]

Good spot on the formation howler. I was trying to include the playmaker and miscounted. Embarrassing.

To your final point, I don't think actually there is a Plan B with Bielsa. Storm out in a strop maybe?

It has been fun while he has been with us, anyway...

i didn't think it was possible, but you've taken over jrg's mantle as the dullest, nobbiest, nobby, nobhead on the board.

world class, i salute you

 

[Killer Whale]

The only time I've ever wished i was a moderator. Who are you impressing to still be on here? At least 100 pages too long as far as I'm concerned.

You may not have enjoyed my contribution, and that is your prerogative.

The funny thing is, though, some of the best posts on this thread have been from Albion fans in response to me.

Often (in fact mostly) not of course, but a handful have actually been top notch.

Makes you think, huh?

 

[rogersix]

You may not have enjoyed my contribution, and that is your prerogative.

The funny thing is, though, some of the best posts on this thread have been from Albion fans in response to me.

Often (in fact mostly) not of course, but a handful have actually been top notch.

Makes you think, huh?

nob

 

[Killer Whale]

i didn't think it was possible, but you've taken over jrg's mantle as the dullest, nobbiest, nobby, nobhead on the board.

world class, i salute you

And I salute you, because that is a magnificently contemptuous piece of alliteration.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

You may not have enjoyed my contribution, and that is your prerogative.

The funny thing is, though, some of the best posts on this thread have been from Albion fans in response to me.

Often (in fact mostly) not of course, but a handful have actually been top notch.

Makes you think, huh?

That you really need to get a hobby because as tedious twats go you are by and far the most tedious. Congratulations ... you must be very proud.


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[Eeyore]

I wonder what Alan Bennett would make of all this.

 

[drew]

Well here's one...which funnily enough is called "Best Supported Teams". Admittedly it looks like the fella earlier was being a tad ambitious with his claim of top 3 or 4.

https://www.footballgroundmap.com/stats/teams/

Hopefully next season, once we can all get back to live games, you lot might be able try a tiny bit harder and see if you can climb above the mighty QPR and Charlton to get yourselves in the top 30 Should be a doddle now that you're such a well established and mighty premiership club

Bit of an own goal you might say!! Should have checked out what the site was all about.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I wonder what Alan Bennett would make of all this.

He would have written it better - much better.....

 

[jackcgull]

You might have got away with playing 3-1-3-1-3 in the Championship, but we have better refs. in the PL - they can count for a start!

Better is pushing it. They can afford calculators though

 

[portslade seagull]

Well if Duffy goes to Wet Sham as is being reported that is the end of this thread

 

[super-seagulls]

Well if Duffy goes to Wet Sham as is being reported that is the end of this thread

If Duffy joins West Ham, Leeds fans will stop being delusional, omnipotent wan kers?
Gosh, I’ll drive him up myself!

 

[Eeyore]

He would have written it better - much better.....

This is my favourite short of his. Only Bennett could make talk like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9jSAJIDGFQ

Leeds can at least claim him as their own.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

It wouldn't have expressed what I wanted to say because it doesn't mean the same thing.

There is a perfectly adequate Latin word for unique, unicus. You may have noticed the similarity to English, it is kind of hard to miss.

Sui generis means of its kind, of its type, of its nature. If I said that generis is the word from which the English term "generic" is derived, does that make the difference clearer? It can be unique, special, different, but it isn't necessarily. Rather like Bielsa's football. His high press is not unique, many teams employ it, but it is special it is, well I will say it again, sui generis.

English is a truly wonderful language with a vast vocabulary, but there are still words of foreign origin which we use because we don't have the exact equivalent ourselves.
Often they are from Latin, in fact you use some of them yourself, I'll bet. Have you never used the term "status quo?" Or et cetera? Would THEY be pretentious? Then think of a French word like "chic." We don't have a better term for the concept, so we borrow it. The French do it in return, using English words.

Isn't one of the points of life to learn? I read widely, and I come across words and terms I don't know all the time and have to look up. I don't get angry at the writer, I don't think he or she is pretentious, I think that is an interesting word. What do they mean by that? Why don't you do the same?

I have read all of Orwell's (major) novels and most of his significant essays. I love the guy. But he is wrong here. He argues for an impoverishment of language it seems to me, and always has. There is a difference between being deliberately obfuscatory (which is rightly to be condemned) and failing to utilise all the richness of our beautiful language. (Of which he was a great exponent, by the way, writing prose as clear as a window pane).

Sure I could dumb down what I say, just use the simplest most everyday words and terms in my posts. A vocabulary of a few hundred words. But wouldn't that be incredibly patronising?

While one should respect an autodidact, I feel you may have missed the full import and nuance of suus as a reflexive possessive. But what else should we expect of someone who knows better than both George Orwell and the Oxford English Dictionary (which defines sui generis as ‘of its own kind, peculiar, unique’)?

There’s such a thing as wearing learning lightly ...