[Other Sport] Define a Woman

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Wrong. They can call or be whoever they want to be, just don't force others to buy into that view.

Would you force people into believing in a God just to appease religious people?

Or is it ok for people to not believe in things they cannot see?




Once again I was calling the gender/pronoun garbage silly. What you're describing is very serious due to the life long implications of messing with kids bodies.




Which is why the sensible option is like most adult decisions wait until they at least reach 18 to make such a huge decision.



Of course there are activists out there who are pushing ideologies onto kids.

Have you seen some of the ****wits posting on social media who are supposed to be looking after/teaching other peoples kids?

Where did I say I want to force pronouns on anyone? I didn't.

This video goes into a story about a 4 year old.

To clarify your position:

You are ok with people being Trans.

You are not ok with adults forcing/excessively encouraging young children to identify as trans?

You think the pronouns issue is silly

Is that about right?

 

[herecomesaregular]

Many trans people don't buy into that tripe either. They also only see men and women.

Aha, the big reveal, you're actually a spokesperson for the Trans community!

 

[Recidivist]

Haven’t been through the whole thread but I’d really like to hear from a trans person (born male but now identifying as a woman, with or without the surgery) what their definition of being a woman is?

Without a definition of some sort how do they “know” they’re a woman? I get that they might like to live in a more “womanly” fashion e.g. dressing up, make up etc. but that seems more of a lifestyle choice to me than some fundamental inner and innate difference between their biological sex and their gender identity.

This was prompted by a recent discussion with my daughter who’s instinctively very supportive of trans people and declared (very passionately) that “there’s more to being a woman than having a vagina” but was rather stumped when I asked her to expand on her declaration.


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[The Clamp]

Haven’t been through the whole thread but I’d really like to hear from a trans person (born male but now identifying as a woman, with or without the surgery)?

Without a definition of some sort how do they “know” they’re a woman? I get that they might like to live in a more “womanly” fashion e.g. dressing up, make up etc. but that seems more of a lifestyle choice to me than some fundamental inner and innate difference between their biological sex and their gender identity.

This was prompted by a recent discussion with my daughter who’s instinctively very supportive of trans people and declared (very passionately) that “there’s more to being a woman than having a vagina” but was rather stumped when I asked her to expand on her declaration.


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I think you’re on the wrong site, buddy.






Sorry.

 

[BBassic]

Haven’t been through the whole thread but I’d really like to hear from a trans person (born male but now identifying as a woman, with or without the surgery) what their definition of being a woman is?

Without a definition of some sort how do they “know” they’re a woman? I get that they might like to live in a more “womanly” fashion e.g. dressing up, make up etc. but that seems more of a lifestyle choice to me than some fundamental inner and innate difference between their biological sex and their gender identity.

This was prompted by a recent discussion with my daughter who’s instinctively very supportive of trans people and declared (very passionately) that “there’s more to being a woman than having a vagina” but was rather stumped when I asked her to expand on her declaration.


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It's an interesting question.

How do I know I'm a man? Besides the obvious appendage, of course.

I guess it depends on how I define masculinity, doesn't it? Strength, empathy, determination, honour. All qualities which are found in women as well.

I don't particularly feel masculine a lot of the time. I wear women's cardigans* because you can get them in lengths and styles that they don't make for men. I'm in touch with my emotions. My friends and I (mostly other men) often talk about our mental health and our feelings. I'm a hugger. Are they masculine traits? Feminine?

It's genuinely such an interesting, confusing thing to think about. And I'm someone who has always identified as male. I cannot begin to imagine how difficult it is for someone who has gone through their entire life feeling they've been born in the wrong body.

* - I'm not even slightly trying to minimise the discussion around trans rights to the type of cardigans one might wear.

 

[The Clamp]

It's an interesting question.

How do I know I'm a man? Besides the obvious appendage, of course.

I guess it depends on how I define masculinity, doesn't it? Strength, empathy, determination, honour. All qualities which are found in women as well.

I don't particularly feel masculine a lot of the time. I wear women's cardigans* because you can get them in lengths and styles that they don't make for men. I'm in touch with my emotions. My friends and I (mostly other men) often talk about our mental health and our feelings. I'm a hugger. Are they masculine traits? Feminine?

It's genuinely such an interesting, confusing thing to think about. And I'm someone who has always identified as male. I cannot begin to imagine how difficult it is for someone who has gone through their entire life feeling they've been born in the wrong body.

* - I'm not even slightly trying to minimise the discussion around trans rights to the type of cardigans one might wear.

I wear women’s deodorant. Sure - Cotton Dry roll on. I find men’s deodorant foul. Why would I want to smell like a teenager on his first date all day long? Or like a changing room. Nope, I much prefer the softer, cleaner smell of Dove or Sure for women. It feels cleaner too.
I’ve done it for about twenty years now. Wouldn’t go back.
Hardly a big reveal and not trying to make light.
At my school I would have got a sound beating for that. I’m glad times have changed. Long may they continue to do so.

Most of my mates talk about feelings, mental health etc. can spend hours walking and talking. Always hug my closest friends and can talk to them about anything.
I’m quite blokey looking but have few of the traits most people associate with blokes. I don’t care about cars, I very rarely get emotional about sports, I love to watch football but talking about football or sports in general bores the sap out of me.

But there we go. That’s people for you.

 

[BadFish]

They were very open, and I would always encourage that in my home, but it was something I felt a bit over analysed and over discussed, only because they sometimes seemed to be like a dog chasing their tale. I would like them to maybe just experiment, safely, and just see where they felt most comfortable. Not so keen on labelling everything. Personally, I felt the chest binder and the tattoos could have waited a bit too. But not for me to judge, walk a mile in another persons shoes etc. And yes, I probably forget how it was to be young and (quite naturally) self obsessed.

Anyway, I like the positive tone of your posts.

You come across as someone who cares and is open about stuff and I think this is best way.

My kids talk about these things a lot and I do think that there is a certain amount of over-focus on the issue as it is new and interesting. As others have said things will calm down a bit and as a society we will work things out.

I am just thankful that we are allowed to talk about these kinds of things more openly and we don't have to suppress how we feel

Thanks for the comment about my post, much appreciated.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Haven’t been through the whole thread but I’d really like to hear from a trans person (born male but now identifying as a woman, with or without the surgery) what their definition of being a woman is?

Without a definition of some sort how do they “know” they’re a woman? I get that they might like to live in a more “womanly” fashion e.g. dressing up, make up etc. but that seems more of a lifestyle choice to me than some fundamental inner and innate difference between their biological sex and their gender identity.

This was prompted by a recent discussion with my daughter who’s instinctively very supportive of trans people and declared (very passionately) that “there’s more to being a woman than having a vagina” but was rather stumped when I asked her to expand on her declaration.


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This isn’t a dating app…..

 

[Uh_huh_him]

You come across as someone who cares and is open about stuff and I think this is best way.

My kids talk about these things a lot and I do think that there is a certain amount of over-focus on the issue as it is new and interesting. As others have said things will calm down a bit and as a society we will work things out.

I am just thankful that we are allowed to talk about these kinds of things more openly and we don't have to suppress how we feel

Thanks for the comment about my post, much appreciated.

This!

Sometimes I find myself a little exasperated with my kids fascination with the subject.
I find it mildly pretentious and just a fashionable view to have.

But that isn't the case.
The issues I thought of as rebellious and confrontational when I was a teenager, have been debated for 40 years and now form part of mainstream views.
Society will eventually reach a consensus of what is and isn't acceptable and it will benefit from having had the debate.