Deduct Leeds United Six Points

[Barrel of Fun]

We love to be hated, it just shows how MASSIVE we are and cheers us all up we've had abuse from Carlisle to Plymouth and everyone in between and all these websites and videos well,would they make them for Southend or Luton being relegated?

Not really. If it wasn't for this big case and their demise - noone would even be talking about Leeds. That is what you love, Leeds in the press. Without all of this you would be an 'also ran' .

Leeds who?

 

[B.M.F]

We love to be hated, it just shows how MASSIVE we are and cheers us all up we've had abuse from Carlisle to Plymouth and everyone in between and all these websites and videos well,would they make them for Southend or Luton being relegated?

I think the same will apply if Boston go into administration at half time if they are losing and thus could be relegated.

 

[pasty]

I think the same will apply if Boston go into administration at half time if they are losing and thus could be relegated.

I'm not so sure about that BMF. "League1Champions" does have some kind of point in that I really do not think Boston "doing a Leeds" would cause anywhere near the same kind of reaction.

 

[bhaexpress]

We love to be hated, it just shows how MASSIVE we are and cheers us all up we've had abuse from Carlisle to Plymouth and everyone in between and all these websites and videos well,would they make them for Southend or Luton being relegated?

Massive ? Not anymore. Actually it's sad how you can revel in the pathetic state of your club, have you no pride ?

 

[B.M.F]

I'm not so sure about that BMF. "League1Champions" does have some kind of point in that I really do not think Boston "doing a Leeds" would cause anywhere near the same kind of reaction.

I think it will actually be worse due to the timing. Losing lets say 1-0 at half time do they take the plunge and go for it or go into admin there and then thus saving them a 10 point defecit next season?

 

[pasty]

I think it will actually be worse due to the timing. Losing lets say 1-0 at half time do they take the plunge and go for it or go into admin there and then thus saving them a 10 point defecit next season?

Oh I totally agree with you, it would be a lot worse than what Leeds have done, but I just can't see the reaction to it being as big as the reaction to Leeds doing it.

 

[dougdeep]

Everyone only hates the way this has turned out because it is Leeds, if it was Cheltenham no one would give a toss that they had bent the rules, everyone everywhere hates Leeds and we love it

Typical Yorkshire, you think the universe revolves around you. Whoever had done this it would still be morally wrong. If we did it I'd ask for my ticket money back.

 

[1066gull]

I know they SHOULD be deducted points, and the way football is governed in this country is a joke but for some reason I don't want West Ham deducted points.

 

[BensGrandad]

My view is that the rules should be changed and the 10 point deduction for the season timed to coincide with the transfer deadline date i..e if you go into admin before then you lose the points that season if after that date you lose them next season.

I cannot see a problem with that.

 

[Icy Gull]

Be much simpler to deduct 10 points this season and next that would sort it out

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I know they SHOULD be deducted points, and the way football is governed in this country is a joke but for some reason I don't want West Ham deducted points.

What has the West Ham situation got to do with this? It's not even remotley the same set of circumstances.

BensGrandad suggestion seems like a workable and logical idea to stop relegated clubs bending the rules like this. Therefore I doubt the authorities will implement it anytime soon.

 

[m20gull]

Surely the point is that the 10 point deduction is intended as a penalty to deter clubs from entering admin. this is no penalty to Leeds at all.

 

[Bad Ash]

What happens if the creditors tell them to f*** off with the 1p in the £ offer or whatever it'll be?

Surely there's one who would be happy to wave goobye to a million quid if they could do the same to Leeds?

 

[Bob!]

Real Leeds fans? How do you define real Leeds fans?

I am Leeds born and bread

Hovis?

 

[cjd]

Haven't cheated, acted entirely within the rules. It's the rules that need changing, you can't fault clubs, Leeds or otherwise, for using the rules as they stand to their benefit.

It seems you are quite right...your club hasn,t cheated. I would call it more like ...stealing.

Where your club has cheated, is where the genuine football fans of Leeds are concerned. There used to be a time when Yorkshire people were honest.....and did all things in life "the honest way".

What your club has done by it,s dubious decisions in the last couple of days, is to render any future success or winning any league titles completely worthless as far as pride in your clubs achievements is concerned.

Yes, I am sorry....but Leeds United have cheated. They have cheated football, their creditors, but most of all.....the genuine supporter, who takes PRIDE in their club and its achievements.

 

[NMH]

All this hoo-ha about whether leeds are taking advantage, and being sneaky, just distracts from the basic fact that clubs going into administration shouldn't be deducted points at all!

I don't even like them, but well done leeds for ducking a rediculous rule anyway.

 

[Starry]

I am a genuine Leeds fan though, I have pride in the club and the achievements of our past. I'm not real thrilled by the prospect of us being a league one team next season, but hey ho. It's football, these things happen.

You might want to dig a little deeper and see who our major creditors are before thinking we ought to have sympathy for them - the Forward Sports Fund, Krago, Astor. I'll not be opening my mouth on here, but don't take everything at face value.

I of course have plenty of sympathy for the genuine creditors (my dumbarse husband is one of them) but the 'genuine' debt was a small fraction of the supposed £35m.

You might want to say that Mr Bates created several offshore companies who 'put in' money to the club to inflate the debt so that when the winding up order came these companies would be at the helm with KPMG deciding on the best deal, of course the 'best deal' is going to be selling back to Bates with no debt, the genuine gone along with the less than genuine. But I wouldn't suggest anything like that had gone on at Leeds of course. A little funny that KPMG chose not to listen to the other seven interested parties on Friday.

 

[Buzzer]

I disagree. I don't much like Leeds, but that's really not the issue. I care far less about the ten points than the fact that Bates has bought the club from himself, and wiped out debts. Money that people were rightly owed (in some cases anyway).

Its immoral and I can't for the life of me understand how it is legal.

I agree. Crdditors have basically been swindled.

 

[cjd]

I am a genuine Leeds fan though, I have pride in the club and the achievements of our past. I'm not real thrilled by the prospect of us being a league one team next season, but hey ho. It's football, these things happen.

You might want to dig a little deeper and see who our major creditors are before thinking we ought to have sympathy for them - the Forward Sports Fund, Krago, Astor. I'll not be opening my mouth on here, but don't take everything at face value.

I of course have plenty of sympathy for the genuine creditors (my dumbarse husband is one of them) but the 'genuine' debt was a small fraction of the supposed £35m.

You might want to say that Mr Bates created several offshore companies who 'put in' money to the club to inflate the debt so that when the winding up order came these companies would be at the helm with KPMG deciding on the best deal, of course the 'best deal' is going to be selling back to Bates with no debt, the genuine gone along with the less than genuine. But I wouldn't suggest anything like that had gone on at Leeds of course. A little funny that KPMG chose not to listen to the other seven interested parties on Friday.

I really do believe that you and Paddy are genuine fans. The problem that Mr. Bates has created now, is that for the forseeable future, whatever Leeds achieve in footballing terms, will not be recognised as a "genuine" achievement.Your club will be labelled as the "ones who cheated their way to success".

You are quite rightly proud about the past Leeds United achievements. They did win the Premiership title, made great efforts to win the European Cup etc etc and whether I like it or not.....they are "a big club".

I believe it will be diificult to feel as proud in the future.

I wonder , if in a few years time, the Leeds supporters will look back and consider it worth it, what has been done, just to save 10 points in League One...?

Even at this low level of football, a small club like Chesterfield is always referred to as "Cheaterfield". Mud sticks.....especially to a "big club".

The other downside of course, is that many of your fans will be ostracised in the football community....resulting in producing more people like "Whiterose/League 1 Champions". A "fan" who, because he feels the dislike of other teams supporters, spends his time defending the indefensible and ultimately taking the "nobody likes us, we don,t care" attitude., and littering this board with abuse. A wonderful way to win over people...lol..!

I wish you both luck in your support of Leeds.Personally, I am glad I am just supporting a "two-bit" club, but at least has enough supporters with the balls to rally and fight against corrupt chairmen and directors. Whatever we have achieved in the past, I am proud, and whatever we achieve in future, I hope will have been gained fairly.

 

[BensGrandad]

Starry if you want an insight into Ken Bates geta copy of Broken Dreams and read it. Apparently he bought Chelsea by selling shares in a non existant mine in South Africa in 1966. Like Harry Rednapp who is also mentioned, amongst many others he has never sued the author or publishers.