Dean Wilkins and Subs

[BigGully]

It's mainly becausei n about 75% of cases, the majority of those at Withdean, he REFUSES to make a sub until we concede or are desperate late in the game.
He rarely sees a player playing poorly and takes him off. Nor does he see ways of changing the pattern of the game by making a switch.

Occasionally he does, but so often he leaves it until 5 minutes to go which, with the exception of last weekend, is far too late. You can't expect a player to make a difference with only a handful of touches.

If you accept that whatever your thought processes might be as a Manager substitution aint always the answer. It is a calculated risk making a change.

Wilkins mention how he changed the system/shape for the second half, who noticed ?? But it was done and it was better second half.

I get the feeling you wish to have Elder on the pitch at nearly any expense, fine thats your opinion, however I am not sure what he has acheived either day in day out in training or in the stiffs since he has been here that the coaching staff have missed that you have seen ?

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

forster seems to be constantly pissed off with the bench - yet he doesnt feel the need to go into reckless challenges and needlessly get himself sent off. he has no-one to blame but himself

Yes, but Forster is in the team week in week out, Hart isn't and clearly is angered by that.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

If you accept that whatever your thought processes might be as a Manager substitution aint always the answer. It is a calculated risk making a change.

Wilkins mention how he changed the system/shape for the second half, who noticed ?? But it was done and it was better second half.

I get the feeling you wish to have Elder on the pitch at nearly any expense, fine thats your opinion, however I am not sure what he has acheived either day in day out in training or in the stiffs since he has been here that the coaching staff have missed that you have seen ?

Most people noticed, because we started with the diamond which was failing and always does, so he changed too the normal 4.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Yes, but Forster is in the team week in week out, Hart isn't and clearly is angered by that.

Getting yourself sent off when you do get a chance isn't the most professional of approaches to solving this though is it.

 

[Scotty Mac]

Yes, but Forster is in the team week in week out, Hart isn't and clearly is angered by that.

theres only 11 players in the team week in week out - the likes of loft, elder, and mayo last week dont go and do such reckless things do they?

taking out your frustration by getting red carded is completely unprofesional. its just lucky that he offers nothing to the team and so wont be missed anyway

 

[BigGully]

Most people noticed, because we started with the diamond which was failing and always does, so he changed too the normal 4.

well spotted but I would of loved you to answer that question 5 minutes into the second half and not at 7.50pm after Wilkins had pointed it out to us all

 

[Da Man Clay]

well spotted but I would of loved you to answer that question 5 minutes into the second half and not at 7.50pm after Wilkins had pointed it out to us all

Was obvious, me and my brother mentioned it pretty much as soon as the second half had started. (When we actually started playing good football!)

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

well spotted but I would of loved you to answer that question 5 minutes into the second half and not at 7.50pm after Wilkins had pointed it out to us all

Come sit next to me next game and we can discuss. And for your information I wouldn't have known after Wilkins pointed it out to us all because i'm assuming he pointed this out on SCR? Which I never listen to.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Was obvious, me and my brother mentioned it pretty much as soon as the second half had started. (When we actually started playing good football!)

Thank you, that now makes 5 of us...Anymore?

 

[BigGully]

Come sit next to me next game and we can discuss. And for your information I wouldn't have known after Wilkins pointed it out to us all because i'm assuming he pointed this out on SCR? Which I never listen to.

OK fairplay.

However in the first half the basic shape was Martot and Cox wide of a 4 with Reid and Thompson centre.

What was so different with the shape in the 2nd ?

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

OK fairplay.

However in the first half the basic shape was Martot and Cox wide of a 4 with Reid and Thompson centre.

What was so different with the shape in the 2nd ?

Cox wasn't wide, Reid and Martot were. Cox had a free role behind the front two while Thomson sat in front of the back 4.

 

[Da Man Clay]

OK fairplay.

However in the first half the basic shape was Martot and Cox wide of a 4 with Reid and Thompson centre.

What was so different with the shape in the 2nd ?

Thought in the first half Reid was on the right side, Martot on the left, Thomson Defensive midfield and Cox attacking midfield. Thats why the change seemed so obvious in the second half, Cox was on the left and Reid and Thomson settled in the middle.

 

[BigGully]

Thought in the first half Reid was on the right side, Martot on the left, Thomson Defensive midfield and Cox attacking midfield. Thats why the change seemed so obvious in the second half, Cox was on the left and Reid and Thomson settled in the middle.

I thought that Reid was decent today.

I accept that maybe Cox drifted in from a wide position at times, but I am surprised that Reid was furthest right of a 4 man midfield.

I felt that at times Reid stole Thompsons thunder and was on the ball quite a lot, primarily in the centre. First and second half.

I gotta feeling that the positions are far more fluid these days and our interpretations of rigid formations not really valid.

 

[Da Man Clay]

I gotta feeling that the positions are far more fluid these days and our interpretations of rigid formations not really valid.

I would probably agree with that, however that was the way they set up.

 

[BigGully]

I would probably agree with that, however that was the way they set up.

Shape and positions are just that in so many ways these days, they are just starting positions with responsibilities within a pattern of play ............. oh well enough of that

 

[Withdean Wanderer]

forster seems to be constantly pissed off with the bench - yet he doesnt feel the need to go into reckless challenges and needlessly get himself sent off. he has no-one to blame but himself

Again, i didn't say that - Hart was a fool and has no-one else to blame - i quite agree, yes. However, i was talking about the MANAGER, and the fact that players such as Hart are pissed off as a result of him not having a bloody clue. That, is worrying

 

[BigGully]

Again, i didn't say that - Hart was a fool and has no-one else to blame - i quite agree, yes. However, i was talking about the MANAGER, and the fact that players such as Hart are pissed off as a result of him not having a bloody clue. That, is worrying

You see thats just the thing.

The opinions of players such as Hart are not really so important.

It might be relevant if players such as Hammond, Forster and even Butters had those views, but otherwise its irrelavant.

I bet Wilkins is highly thought of within the squad even within the experienced fringed players.

 

[NMH]

Can't help but think you've missed the important detail of them going straight up the other end and equalising....and we waited until ten minutes after that to make sub.

So, you would have predicted that our lads would suddenly have folded, and conceded an equalizer - so you would have put ELDER on to balance the team (at a time when we REALLY needed to DEFEND)

There's absolutely no way you have any case against Wilkins here, none whatsoever.

 

[Da Man Clay]

So, you would have predicted that our lads would suddenly have folded, and conceded an equalizer - so you would have put ELDER on to balance the team (at a time when we REALLY needed to DEFEND)

There's absolutely no way you have any case against Wilkins here, none whatsoever.

Well the changed should have been made before we even went in front, equally a like for like change when it was obvious Revell was playing poorly wouldn't have made any difference to the balance of the team.

 

[NMH]

You see thats just the thing.

The opinions of players such as Hart are not really so important.

It might be relevant if players such as Hammond, Forster and even Butters had those views, but otherwise its irrelavant.

I bet Wilkins is highly thought of within the squad even within the experienced fringed players.

Yeah - imagine, a player who has only just come back into the first team, ranting at the man who is playing him "you haven't got a clue".

That would HAVE to be a GENIUS of a player

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