[Albion] De Zerbi: 'We deserved to lose...I understood the problem in January!"

[Justice]

The Villa squad has cost £600m, possibly 3x or more ours.

Why would that be a problem for the likes Of Liverpool, Bayern etc. it is weird how our managers get linked pissing about in mid table.

 

[Justice]

We won’t win in Rome and I won’t be calling for his head. It’s quite ridiculous we’re playing in Rome really, so who can moan if we lose?!

We might win, knowing how the wheels of this club work I wouldn’t say a definitive we won’t win

 

[Weststander]

Not sure about that. It is valued at £620m but that is because of shrewd buying and enhancement of value. Watkins was £30m; Diaby and Torres about £90m, Tielemans FOC, Ramsey academy, Luiz £15m. All are valued at £50m plus now. That’s not buying, that’s enhancing value.

I don’t look at value type websites, I base it primarily on Companies House data. By 31 May 2022 they’d spent £450m on the squad, later adding:
Torres £32m
Carlos £28m
Dendoncker £14m
Olsen £3m
Moreno £12m
Duran £15m
Diaby £52m
Zaniolo £4m
Nedeljković £6m

Total £616m
One or two long standing players may’ve left to come off that.

Emery has a squad 3x the cost of RDZ’s to play with.

 

[Weststander]

Why would that be a problem for the likes Of Liverpool, Bayern etc. it is weird how our managers get linked pissing about in mid table.

It’s a discussion on why “overrated” RDZ is mooted for big jobs, but miracle worker Emery with a similar quality squad and budget isn’t in fashion.

Emery’s squad has cost 3x as much, bankrolled by two owners who are racking up vast losses in their support on the playing side for ‘names’.

RDZ is operating on relative buttons.

 

[twickers]

Where to begin? To his credit when we didn't have the wide players he adapted the shape to play narrow and with some success. It's unlucky to lose Mitoma, but in January or June there probably isn't another Mitoma so it's a bit of a fantasy that we could have found the right depth to deliver a vision of competing across all competitions without problems. We've also faced teams below us who have turned their game around. RDZ is nothing like Gus, RDZ is a wonderful coach...but he needs to grow with challenges like this and show resilience. Our set up against Wolves and today wasn't good enough, partly the players and partly on these games the opposition managers were simply better with their tactics. RDZ would do well to simply aknowledge that and grow.

 

[oldboyroy]

We've got super Rob De Zerbi
He knows exactly what we need
Bloom to f*** off
Saudis to come in
Then we can buy the Premier league

Joking of course

 

[jackalbion]

What happened to Burnley, Swansea, Stoke and Hull after they got European football. Almost got relegated, we are doing very well, but I’d wish he’d stop moaning about transfers, his signings have been SHIT. Thank we didn’t shell out on that Ukrainian LCB who seems to have done to square root of f all since we had interest in him. I do agree with @dwayne though, its looking slightly similar to Bielsa, high tempo, high pressure and eventually you run out of steam. We’ll be absolutely fine this season, and need to go again next season. Getting Europe two seasons in a row on our budget (which I think is fair, considering how FFP has affected other teams) is a hard asking.

 

[Justice]

It’s a discussion on why “overrated” RDZ is mooted for big jobs, but miracle worker Emery with a similar quality squad and budget isn’t in fashion.

Emery’s squad has cost 3x as much, bankrolled by two owners who are racking up vast losses in their support on the playing side for ‘names’.

RDZ is operating on relative buttons.

Yes and Dick Emery is getting results from a high budget squad similar to those clubs who are allegedly chasing DeZerbi. Isn’t that all they want to win?

 

[jackalbion]

Why would that be a problem for the likes Of Liverpool, Bayern etc. it is weird how our managers get linked pissing about in mid table.

I do find it odd, he seems to be a cert for all these jobs according to the press, he’s got a lot to learn.

 

[Weststander]

Yes and Dick Emery is getting results from a high budget squad similar to those clubs who are allegedly chasing DeZerbi. Isn’t that all they want to win?

Perhaps Arsenal hangs over him?

 

[The Fits]

I do find it odd, he seems to be a cert for all these jobs according to the press, he’s got a lot to learn.

Because most teams are run by clowns I guess. These owners are like politicians filp flipping on the whims of focus groups.
They love the hype.
Emery is a great example of the opposite in effect. He's just not a fashionable guy. Football hipsters won't be making videos about him.
It's all about vibes, posturing, soundbites, being photogenic.
But mostly it's just online noise.
It's quite the distraction but testament to this club, at least.

 

[AZ Gull]

Where’s the evidence for this? It seems to just be something some people on NSC repeat to make it come true in people’s heads.

And Dahood, who was free?

Seems to me that when we sign someone who’s brilliant that’s the genius of the Bloom algorithm and the flops are down to the coach.

Would the words of Roberto De Zerbi himself, and Tony Bloom, be enough to convince you?

When Dahoud joined us a certain RDZ said that he was excited and had wanted him when he was at Sassuolo:-

After the opening day win at Luton RDZ said that Dahoud was specific for our idea of football, style of play:-

And as for Fati, the Argus has reported that RDZ 'phoned Ansu five times, and Tony Bloom said RDZ had made it clear to the player how much he wanted him:-

 

[AZ Gull]

You and I aren’t ITK. Those here with special inside access informed us that RDZ told the club to sign Fati.

See post #212.

 

[Weststander]

Would the words of Roberto De Zerbi himself, and Tony Bloom, be enough to convince you?

When Dahoud joined us a certain RDZ said that he was excited and had wanted him when he was at Sassuolo:-

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After the opening day win at Luton RDZ said that Dahoud was specific for our idea of football, style of play:-

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And as for Fati, the Argus has reported that RDZ 'phoned Ansu five times, and Tony Bloom said RDZ had made it clear to the player how much he wanted him:-

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Does that mean they were personal picks by RDZ overriding StarLizard based principles at the club, or just that RDZ helped get them over the line once the club had decided?

 

[Weststander]

See post #212.

See post #214.

 

[The Fits]

Does that mean they were personal picks by RDZ overriding StarLizard based principles at the club, or just that RDZ helped get them over the line once the club had decided?

Guess we won't ever know.
But, in Fati's case we are paying huge wages that massively shatter our wage structure (although I accept it's slightly different as it's essentially a loan fee) and Dahoud doesn't necessarily fit the usual signing in terms of age etc (although here I accept and believe our parameters probably/possibly aren't as narrow as people on here think).
The suggestion does seem to be they were RDZ men though.

 

[AZ Gull]

Does that mean they were personal picks by RDZ overriding StarLizard based principles at the club, or just that RDZ helped get them over the line once the club had decided?

How on earth do you expect someone outside the inner sanctum of the club to know the answer to that question?

But what difference does it make? RDZ was clearly excited (in his own words) to sign Dahoud, had wanted him before (in his own words) and believed him to specifically fit his style of play (in his own words). Unfortunately he failed to get a tune out of him once he was in the building.

And clearly (in the words of Bloom) RDZ was fundamentally instrumental in convincing Fati to come here. Without RDZ, Fati wouldn't be an Albion player.

 

[Weststander]

Guess we won't ever know.
But, in Fati's case we are paying huge wages that massively shatter our wage structure (although I accept it's slightly different as it's essentially a loan fee) and Dahoud doesn't necessarily fit the usual signing in terms of age etc (although here I accept and believe our parameters probably/possibly aren't as narrow as people on here think).
The suggestion does seem to be they were RDZ men though.

Going by the media guesswork, we’re paying £160k pw, for 10 months to 30 June normally, that’s a £6.9m punt that appears to have failed. Not significant when you look at the total cash lost on disastrous Locadia and Jahanbakhsh.

As you say we’ll never know, but I wonder if they did feature well in StarLizard data. Two random wildcards suggested solely by RDZ and accepted by TB appears to against the grain of his methodology.

 

[The Fits]

Going by the media guesswork, we’re paying £160k pw, for 10 months to 30 June normally, that’s a £6.9m punt that appears to have failed. Not significant when you look at the total cash lost on disastrous Locadia and Jahanbakhsh.

As you say we’ll never know, but I wonder if they did feature well in StarLizard data. To be two random wildcards suggested solely by RDZ and accepted by TB appears to against the grain of his methodology.

Yeah I think I agree. I suspect there was some meeting in the middle.

 

[Weststander]

How on earth do you expect someone outside the inner sanctum of the club to know the answer to that question?

But what difference does it make? RDZ was clearly excited (in his own words) to sign Dahoud, had wanted him before (in his own words) and believed him to specifically fit his style of play (in his own words). Unfortunately he failed to get a tune out of him once he was in the building.

And clearly (in the words of Bloom) RDZ was fundamentally instrumental in convincing Fati to come here. Without RDZ, Fati wouldn't be an Albion player.

In recent nsc attacks on RDZ it gets thrown at his door that Dahoud was his and his alone signing, now Fati’s been added to the attacks. Now from you we know the deriders are basing that on his enthusiasm and some calls.

I had thought Albion signings were at first a fairly scientific process, with some qualitative aspects such as the player’s mindset, throughout a collaborative with the manager too.