[Football] De Zerbi offers to resign as Marseilles coach

[Flounce]

Through a combination of what we saw on the pitch and what was said in interviews there were tactics, for whatever reason they were not working. I have my thoughts on why this was. It's also clear there has been an ongoing review and revision of his approach which has brought us to where we are...which I feel is an good position to be in with 12 games to go, a new and rookies manager and a bunch of new players with 0 EPL experience. I agree the Forest game was shocking, why he decided on one CM I do not know, but it's clear he learnt from this. The Forest game was clearly a f*** up which was acknowledged by Fab....as was the Chelsea away game. It's refreshing to have a manager admit he gets things wrong and refesting that we seem to learn from them.

Suicidal football.....only Arsenal and Liverpool have lost fewer games....that does not seem overly suicidal to me.

He seems to be open to changing things, hence I am very happy to be firmly in the Fab in camp now. The last three games have been masterclasses. Our rookie manager is obviously learning well on the job, we can forgive the aberrations on the way there.

 

[el punal]

Wish we could have managed to block whoever was on VAR at Spurs two seasons ago from ever being involved in an Albion game again! His name eludes me but he certainly has an agenda against us.

I think that was the season when we were top of the league for apologies from the PGMOL. We were on the receiving end of some incredible gaffes by the VAR numpties. Luckily it didn’t affect our final position and our first ever European campaign.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Michael Salisbury. Who wasn't involved in any of our remaining 8 fixtures after the Spurs debacle... None of the refereeing team from that day were involved until Atwell took charge of the Newcastle win in MW4 of the following season, and Michael Salisbury was kept of Brighton VAR duties until the 2-1 loss at City on 21 October. Almost 6 months...

Constantine Hatzidakis didn't line a Liverpool game for 21 months after the Robertson elbow incident, and David Coote, whose comments about Klopp's behaviour after a 1-1 draw v Burnley in lockdown, didn't do a Liverpool PL game for 44 months.

I know we are in dialogue with the PL/PGMOL and that PBOBE talks to the organisation after almost every match, as I would expect most clubs are. We can make any requests we want - whether the PGMOL/PL decide to implement them is their prerogative but requests are often heard at the very least...

Exactly the use case of why clubs should be able to request ref changes in extreme circumstances. A bloke who was defended by all the referee huggers on here who was actually spending his spare time off his nut, calling PL managers rude names.

 

[Beanstalk]

Exactly the use case of why clubs should be able to request ref changes in extreme circumstances. A bloke who was defended by all the referee huggers on here who was actually spending his spare time off his nut, calling PL managers rude names.

To put Coote's spiral to the side for a second, Klopp clearly made his job a f***ing nightmare. The PGMOL have a responsibility to their employees to take them out of the firing line in that case. Why wouldn't they do the same in France?

 

[Justice]

I thoughts his players were like his “sons.” Doesn’t like a ref decision and he threatens to leave his latest football family.

Italians are emotional mental cases.

 

[Han Solo]

To put Coote's spiral to the side for a second, Klopp clearly made his job a f***ing nightmare. The PGMOL have a responsibility to their employees to take them out of the firing line in that case. Why wouldn't they do the same in France?

Because applying media pressure on referees that doesn't give their team "good decisions" is a threat to the competitive integrity?
Obviously. That Klopp doesn't like a referee shouldn't mean he gets to "avoid" that referee. Not least because that would ever only work for Liverpool or Marseille or similar big clubs. If we or Bournemouth try to create a media campaign against a referee that didn't give us all the decisions we wanted, it would be considered a piss in the ocean and no one would give a f*** and less so grant our wishes.

 

[Justice]

FH brought the squad together and took a match to the Forest tactics at training the following week, didn't he? That's a fairly explicit admission to the players that he f***ed that one up.

For what it's worth, I don't thinke tha RDZ was a tactical genius, but he was the perfect manager to bring in at the time. We had a very strong squad that had started the season well - we were 4th - and we needed someone to come in and enthusiastically pick up what Potter had left behind.

This narrative Potter had already nailed down a Europa league spot and we needed an enthusiastic manager to see the last few games out is absolute tosh.

 

[Slum_Wolf]

 

[chaileyjem]

This narrative Potter had already nailed down a Europa league spot and we needed an enthusiastic manager to see the last few games out is absolute tosh.

i don't think anybody , even on NSC has actually argued that - still loads to do. But plenty were right to point out that RDZ did pick up a decent squad , who were older/more experienced than the one FH inherited (McAllister, Caicedo, Gross, Solly, Mitoma) , and GP had started to produce some great performances and form - with 9 wins out of 15 stretching back into season before...giving him a good basis to succeed. Which he of course did . In Spades.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

i don't think anybody , even on NSC has actually argued that - still loads to do. But plenty were right to point out that RDZ did pick up a decent squad , who were older/more experienced than the one FH inherited (McAllister, Caicedo, Gross, Solly, Mitoma) , and GP had started to produce some great performances and form - with 9 wins out of 15 stretching back into season before...giving him a good basis to succeed. Which he of course did . In Spades.

Agree - but prior to those games with Potter we’d been on a poor run.
The whole Potter vs RdZ thing is tiresome for me.

We needed both and they/we succeeded…. What’s not to like?

 

[Han Solo]

Agree - but prior to those games with Potter we’d been on a poor run.
The whole Potter vs RdZ thing is tiresome for me.

We needed both and they/we succeeded…. What’s not to like?

And after we had success with RDZ, we also had a poor run, lasting 30 games.

I'm willing to bet the next manager will also have a poor run.

Its not super rare - in fact I'm struggling to think of a present PL manager that never had bad runs - and not really evidence of "we would never have reached Europe with manager X because sometimes we had poor runs".

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Agree - but prior to those games with Potter we’d been on a poor run.
The whole Potter vs RdZ thing is tiresome for me.

We needed both and they/we succeeded…. What’s not to like?

Who's to say an alternative hire to Potter wouldn't have reaped the same benefits with the same wealth of talent at their disposal, except without the pitifully slow learning curve? Guess we'll never know. Happy to take an educated guess tho

 

[Flounce]

Who's to say an alternative hire to Potter wouldn't have reaped the same benefits with the same wealth of talent at their disposal, except without the pitifully slow learning curve? Guess we'll never know. Happy to take an educated guess tho

What he does at West Ham, assuming he stays for a couple of seasons, should give you the answer as to whether or not he has a slow learning curve. Quality of players is way better than he inherited here and comparable to what we had when he left. No doubt we’ll both be watching with interest

 

[dazzer6666]

You’re being a bit harsh on FAB. Like the majority of the players he too is getting used to playing in the Premier League. A big learning curve for all concerned. Up to mid-November we were always in the top 6 or 7. From then a frustrating set of matches which we could/should have won but didn’t. At the start of the new year we managed two respectable draws to Villa and Arsenal, two good wins against Ipswich and Man Utd, an annoying defeat to Everton and, yes, the calamity at Forest.

In some ways the Forest result demanded a reset from all concerned and thus far it seems to have worked. A much more balanced team with minimal changes. I wouldn’t say Hurzeler’s tactics have been ridiculous (apart from Forest) but selections have been puzzling - possibly down to injuries to players and therefore unable to play.

Anyway, three wins on the bounce and all of them convincing is probably the confidence booster we all needed. A couple of tricky fixtures against Bournemouth and Fulham will cement that confidence or not.

The team at Forest was imbalanced largely because of injury…….

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

What he does at West Ham, assuming he stays for a couple of seasons, should give you the answer as to whether or not he has a slow learning curve. Quality of players is way better than he inherited here and comparable to what we had when he left. No doubt we’ll both be watching with interest

How about the bit in between? Y'know, when he was actually here?

 

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'I'm not going to coach in France again!' - Marseille boss Roberto De Zerbi fumes at 'scandalous' refereeing as Mason Greenwood & Co humiliated at Auxerre | Goal.com

A furious Roberto De Zerbi declared that he will never coach in France again after Marseille went down 3-0 against Auxerre.

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