David Miliband should be the next prime minister!

[KNC]

Milibands farther writes zionist books vote labour never working class triator party.

Your spelling and grammar tell me all I need to know.

 

[Acker79]

Why you assume that a man with his family history would not hold a principled stand against a Fascist is beyond me, frankly.

I'm not arrogant enough to assume such a thing. If you go back and read my post you'll see I didn't state it as fact but put it there as a possibility. I don't know him well enough to know whether it is true or not. All I know about him is he is/was a politician and as such I will always look at what he (or any politician) does with a sceptical eye.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

100%Zionist family pro isreal pro usa pro big business..

That's completely untrue, but I'd be interested to know where the suggestion that the Milibands are 100% Zionists / pro-Israel comes from.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Instead of ending his political career he should be the next in line. The decision to step down from the Sunderland board due to De Canio's possible fascist lviews shows he is a man of principle. Hope he comes back to the fold.

Easy choice to make when he's already taken a new job in New York. A flounce made in timing heaven!

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

My first reaction on hearing that Miliband had resigned from the Sunderland board was 'Yep, ok. Completely understandable, I admire his principles'.

I then reflected that maybe a true old school socialist (well the pampered 21st century version anyway) and former Foreign Secretary used to building relations with opposing factions, defusing worldwide conflicts and lifelong Black Cat fan would not have walked away so quickly but bottled out of engaging with Di Canio over a prawn sarnie and brown ale to try to make him aware that many people at that Club won't share or appreciate his political views so please stick to the footie and....etc etc.

Then I reflected again and thought 'but this is Di Canio' and any attempt to engage him in political debate is likely to end up in a car crash and no guarantee that even the Miliband spin machine could wrestle the headlines back once the pin has been pulled out of that walking hand grenade.

So I agree with hindsight Miliband has probably taken the view that Di Canio isn't likely to be around in the long term so its very sensible to step away from the Club, especially as he's just taken up this role in New York while having nicely drawn attention to the issue.

I'm just pleased that Di Canio isn't at The Amex. As someone said 'he's box office' but also loose cannon with far too much unpleasant baggage.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

How can you be a Labour 'Man' and afford to live in Primrose Hill ?

Primrose Hill ain't all that believe me. And his kids school in Chalk Farm, again, nothing special.

 

[cunning fergus]

Absolutely.

And my father was a bit of a Tory at times. That in no way defines me. So the criticism of Milliband because of his dad is frankly stupid.

Your Dad may well have been a bit of a tory, but i suspect he was not regularly having Margaret Thatcher round his house for tea, nor did he use his influence to get you a job?

The Milibands are inveterate liars and who have both treated the British electorate with utter contempt.........and to that extent though they take after their father Adolph.........not Ralph........who escaped the Nazis as they rolled in to Belgium. Far from being grateful to his new host, he wrote in his diary in 1940..........

"The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world... When you hear the English talk of this war you sometimes almost want them to lose it to show them how things are."

For someone who had just escaped the Nazis, this is an interesting insight and no doubt this and other views from Adolph helped to nurture the Milibands political consciousness as they grew up whilst having tea with all those grandees from the Labour Party.

But then Adolph also avowed in 1940 to work ceaselessly for the working man, a commitment that evidently went on the wain as he started to make his money and become a fully paid up member of the property owning classes in Hampstead and Oxfordshire.

But it wasn't just money and property for Marxist Adolph was it?

Nope, because he wanted power and influence (the real currency of any elitist) and whilst I can accept his motives for himself, it is the strings he was undoubtedly able to pull to get his kids into Oxford, step ups into the Labour Party, safe Labour seats and then be drawn into to the inner circles of the country's 2 most powerful politicians. That's why criticism is anything but stupid......

Neither of the Miliband's have worked meaningfully outside of politics (like so many of their contemporaries) and it is little wonder the country is in the state it's in because we are now governed by politicians whose priorities are based on popularity polls, soundbites and image rather than substance. The Milibands' were the stormtroopers of this new realpolitik and consequently they deserve to be publically horsewhipped with all the other politicians who have made politics their chosen career without having done a stroke of work in the real world.

Wankers the pair of them.

 

[Soulman]

Your Dad may well have been a bit of a tory, but i suspect he was not regularly having Margaret Thatcher round his house for tea, nor did he use his influence to get you a job?

The Milibands are inveterate liars and who have both treated the British electorate with utter contempt.........and to that extent though they take after their father Adolph.........not Ralph........who escaped the Nazis as they rolled in to Belgium. Far from being grateful to his new host, he wrote in his diary in 1940..........

"The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world... When you hear the English talk of this war you sometimes almost want them to lose it to show them how things are."

For someone who had just escaped the Nazis, this is an interesting insight and no doubt this and other views from Adolph helped to nurture the Milibands political consciousness as they grew up whilst having tea with all those grandees from the Labour Party.

But then Adolph also avowed in 1940 to work ceaselessly for the working man, a commitment that evidently went on the wain as he started to make his money and become a fully paid up member of the property owning classes in Hampstead and Oxfordshire.

But it wasn't just money and property for Marxist Adolph was it?

Nope, because he wanted power and influence (the real currency of any elitist) and whilst I can accept his motives for himself, it is the strings he was undoubtedly able to pull to get his kids into Oxford, step ups into the Labour Party, safe Labour seats and then be drawn into to the inner circles of the country's 2 most powerful politicians. That's why criticism is anything but stupid......

Neither of the Miliband's have worked meaningfully outside of politics (like so many of their contemporaries) and it is little wonder the country is in the state it's in because we are now governed by politicians whose priorities are based on popularity polls, soundbites and image rather than substance. The Milibands' were the stormtroopers of this new realpolitik and consequently they deserve to be publically horsewhipped with all the other politicians who have made politics their chosen career without having done a stroke of work in the real world.

Wankers the pair of them.

Yep, my post got jumped on. That is why i stated "Milliband's Dad was a Marxist and left winger".
Ralph Miliband - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Unfortunately, some in their haste, fail to look at the background.

 

[oldboy]

Good boy fergus put in words i couldnt.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Nope, because he wanted power and influence (the real currency of any elitist) and whilst I can accept his motives for himself, it is the strings he was undoubtedly able to pull to get his kids into Oxford, step ups into the Labour Party, safe Labour seats and then be drawn into to the inner circles of the country's 2 most powerful politicians. That's why criticism is anything but stupid.......

I am sure I can correctly guess your opinion of the moon landings

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I blame the parents. Safe to say that both brothers were soundly thrashed with the ugly stick from an early age.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Yep, my post got jumped on. That is why i stated "Milliband's Dad was a Marxist and left winger".
Ralph Miliband - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Unfortunately, some in their haste, fail to look at the background.

Nobody could deny that Ralph Miliband was well known in academic circles as a leading Marxist intellectual. He wrote books with titles like The State in Capitalist Society, Marxism and Politics, Capitalist Democracy in Britain, Class Power and State Power, Divided Societies: Class Struggle in Contemporary Capitalism, and Socialism for a Sceptical Age.

That doesn't make him (or his sons) Zionist (which is what oldboy is falsely claiming). And the relevance of this to any discussion of the politics embraced by David Miliband (or his decision to resign from Sunderland FC) escapes me.

 

[Soulman]

Nobody could deny that Ralph Miliband was well known in academic circles as a leading Marxist intellectual. He wrote books with titles like The State in Capitalist Society, Marxism and Politics, Capitalist Democracy in Britain, Class Power and State Power, Divided Societies: Class Struggle in Contemporary Capitalism, and Socialism for a Sceptical Age.

That doesn't make him (or his sons) Zionist (which is what oldboy is falsely claiming). And the relevance of this to any discussion of the politics embraced by David Miliband (or his decision to resign from Sunderland FC) escapes me.

I don't believe i mentioned that in my post. ""Milliband's Dad was a Marxist and left winger".........

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Your Dad may well have been a bit of a tory, but i suspect he was not regularly having Margaret Thatcher round his house for tea, nor did he use his influence to get you a job?

The Milibands are inveterate liars and who have both treated the British electorate with utter contempt.........and to that extent though they take after their father Adolph.........not Ralph........who escaped the Nazis as they rolled in to Belgium. Far from being grateful to his new host, he wrote in his diary in 1940..........

"The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world... When you hear the English talk of this war you sometimes almost want them to lose it to show them how things are."

For someone who had just escaped the Nazis, this is an interesting insight and no doubt this and other views from Adolph helped to nurture the Milibands political consciousness as they grew up whilst having tea with all those grandees from the Labour Party.

But then Adolph also avowed in 1940 to work ceaselessly for the working man, a commitment that evidently went on the wain as he started to make his money and become a fully paid up member of the property owning classes in Hampstead and Oxfordshire.

But it wasn't just money and property for Marxist Adolph was it?

Nope, because he wanted power and influence (the real currency of any elitist) and whilst I can accept his motives for himself, it is the strings he was undoubtedly able to pull to get his kids into Oxford, step ups into the Labour Party, safe Labour seats and then be drawn into to the inner circles of the country's 2 most powerful politicians. That's why criticism is anything but stupid......

Neither of the Miliband's have worked meaningfully outside of politics (like so many of their contemporaries) and it is little wonder the country is in the state it's in because we are now governed by politicians whose priorities are based on popularity polls, soundbites and image rather than substance. The Milibands' were the stormtroopers of this new realpolitik and consequently they deserve to be publically horsewhipped with all the other politicians who have made politics their chosen career without having done a stroke of work in the real world.

Wankers the pair of them.

I said my dad could be a bit of a Tory at times. Thankfully, he was sensible enough to despise Margaret Thatcher - he never voted for them again after she took over party leadership.

Now...Ralph Milliband. Originally, as you say, he was named Adolphe. He discarded this name as he didn't want to be associated with Hitler in any way. You appear to have decided that his original name defines him, and that he had no right to change it. Some might call that a bit arrogant.

He escaped the Nazis, and arrived in England as a 16 year old. It was soon after this that he wrote about the nationalism of the English people - and you've decided that what he wrote is unforgiveable. Do you think that the English have always been cosmopolitan and outwardly welcoming of foreign visitors? As a young lad in war torn Britain who had suffered as he had, do you really believe that he did not suffer from some degree of nationalistic xenophobia? Being an island nation has always isolated us as a nation, and in those days there were not so many opportunities to travel and meet people from other countries. This, along with a couple of World Wars, was bound to result in nationalism and suspicion of foreigners.

But he was accepted by the nation as a whole, and by our culture. He obviously felt that he became British, as he never left.

He stayed, and developed his political views as a citizen of this country. Those views were generally very critical of the Labour Party, and he cut ties with the party in the sixties - so how he got his sons safe seats and step ups in the party is open to question.

He wanted to fight for the working man...why does this preclude him from being successful, and from owning property? Being a socialist does not mean that you have to commit to a life of poverty.

The Millibands may come across a bit Champagne Socialist, and I don't particularly agree with a lot of their views. But David Milliband was right to make a stand against Di Canio, after the history that his family have had.

 

[pork pie]

Instead of ending his political career he should be the next in line. The decision to step down from the Sunderland board due to De Canio's possible fascist lviews shows he is a man of principle. Hope he comes back to the fold.

I am sure their fans will all be gutted! - NOT!

I am sure they will all be very happy to trade a good new manager for some politico who should be nowhere near the Board of any football club. Nor should any others - look at the one we had, what was his name? Bellotti?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I am sure their fans will all be gutted! - NOT!

I am sure they will all be very happy to trade a good new manager for some politico who should be nowhere near the Board of any football club. Nor should any others - look at the one we had, what was his name? Bellotti?

You're sure that they'll be happy with Di Canio? Many are already protesting his appointment.

You may not care if someone shares political ideologies with Benoto Mussolini, and you might welcome a known and self-proclaimed fascist if one were to come to our club. That says a lot about you.

Bellotti has nothing to do with it, a pitiful effort to support a pathetic argument.

 

[pork pie]

You're sure that they'll be happy with Di Canio? Many are already protesting his appointment.

You may not care if someone shares political ideologies with Benoto Mussolini, and you might welcome a known and self-proclaimed fascist if one were to come to our club. That says a lot about you.

Bellotti has nothing to do with it, a pitiful effort to support a pathetic argument.

My point was not to do with political views, but just that NO politicians should be allowed to further their careers by latching-on to a football team. We all tend to get over emotional about football. and it gives them an unfair advantage over their local rivals.

Maybe the only thing fans should worry about is his ability as a manager? Have you asked Poyet about his political views? As a South American he MAY be a right-winger as well?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

My point was not to do with political views, but just that NO politicians should be allowed to further their careers by latching-on to a football team. We all tend to get over emotional about football. and it gives them an unfair advantage over their local rivals.

Maybe the only thing fans should worry about is his ability as a manager? Have you asked Poyet about his political views? As a South American he MAY be a right-winger as well?

If someone is photographed giving the nazi salute to his own supporters, and is a self proclaimed fascist, then this should have some bearing as to whether he would be a suitable representative of a football club. I would not want to have someone like him anywhere near our club.

I don't know Gus' political views because he has chosen not to express them openly, and lay himself open to criticism if they're a bit dodgy.

And Milliband is MP for South Shields - a predominantly Newcastle supporting area. I can't imagine that being on the board of Sunderland AFC has done him many favours with a lot of his electorate.

 

[ChilternGull]

As with John Smith and possibly Heseltine, David Miliband may turn out to be the best Prime Minister we never had. Certainly most qualified and experienced for the PM job on the opposition benches. He has a turn of phrase and clarity of thought his brother does not appear to possess and will be a great loss to UK politics. Also has ability to reach across the political divide in this county; something Cameron and Miliband jnr are unable to do and this is reflected in the opinion polls. I just wonder if Darling does well with the anti-devolution campaign in Scotland if he may not emerge as Labour leader before the next election.

 

[pork pie]

If someone is photographed giving the nazi salute to his own supporters, and is a self proclaimed fascist, then this should have some bearing as to whether he would be a suitable representative of a football club. I would not want to have someone like him anywhere near our club.

I don't know Gus' political views because he has chosen not to express them openly, and lay himself open to criticism if they're a bit dodgy.

And Milliband is MP for South Shields - a predominantly Newcastle supporting area. I can't imagine that being on the board of Sunderland AFC has done him many favours with a lot of his electorate.

So he is like millions of fellow Italians and supports a facist party. What is wrong with that? Better than supporting the Red Brigade in Spain for example, as far as I can see. Just because he is an Italian Facist, it does not mean he supports the mass extermination of Jews does it? What is Milliband's problem? How many did Starlin kill? But he is still a left-winger.