[Politics] David Lammy

[cunning fergus]

No.

Well you are as dumb as they are then.

You may well be a Blairite social democrat, but that really lines you up with the Liberal Democrat party, not the Labour Party under Corbyn.

For those in the electorate that want (say) nationalised rail and utility services so that fat cat capitalists are ejected from the system, this political solution will not be found in the EU.

Rather than wet your knickers about Corbyn adhering to his decade old well publicised political ideology and how this is upsetting the snowflakery, look in the mirror and work out what you are........you ain’t labour, get over it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well you are as dumb as they are then.

You may well be a Blairite social democrat, but that really lines you up with the Liberal Democrat party, not the Labour Party under Corbyn.

For those in the electorate that want (say) nationalised rail and utility services so that fat cat capitalists are ejected from the system, this political solution will not be found in the EU.

Rather than wet your knickers about Corbyn adhering to his decade old well publicised political ideology and how this is upsetting the snowflakery, look in the mirror and work out what you are........you ain’t labour, get over it.

All that ranting and pathetic name calling, when I have never said I am labour.

 

[cunning fergus]

All that ranting and pathetic name calling, when I have never said I am labour.

Being patronising, as is the default posting style of many posters on here, is neither ranting nor pathetic name calling. You need to recognise this otherwise mattresses will need to be propped up against radiators and an right old stink out will follow.

I agree with you, you are not Labour, and certainly not in the form it is under Corbyn. This is self evident because you dont agree with the very simple socialist principles that mean Corbyn cannot support membership of the EU. You clearly can’t understand this position because otherwise you wouldnt be on here lamenting his leadership and how the young are now leaving the labour party due to his support for Brexit.

So we are in agreement........there’s lovely.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Being patronising, as is the default posting style of many posters on here, is neither ranting nor pathetic name calling. You need to recognise this otherwise mattresses will need to be propped up against radiators and an right old stink out will follow.

I agree with you, you are not Labour, and certainly not in the form it is under Corbyn. This is self evident because you dont agree with the very simple socialist principles that mean Corbyn cannot support membership of the EU. You clearly can’t understand this position because otherwise you wouldnt be on here lamenting his leadership and how the young are now leaving the labour party due to his support for Brexit.

So we are in agreement........there’s lovely.

Both parts of my signature apply to this conversation.

 

[Simster]

That’s a good thing, there are legion of dumb labour supporters who are really Tories, but think they are socialists.

Surely it would only be a good thing if these neo-Tory Labour members were actually being replaced by what you might term as proper socialists. Sadly though, that doesn't appear to be the case.

Instead, pragmatism has been abandoned and what we're heading for is not the Brexit socialist utopia you espouse, but the Brexit of Tories like the fat fluffy moron and the right hon member for the 17th century. The problem for socialist Labour is that they'll never, ever win an election in this country with 20% of the popular vote. I'm afraid that wanky "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" football chant will act as a rallying call for the terminally blind, because it certainly isn't being sung by the people and never will be.

Meanwhile, the middle England vote you constantly absolutely love to sneer at - tired of Tory greed and sympathetic to a more centralist Labour ideology - remain disenfranchised and can see the current Labour parliamentary for what they are - a gutless, incompetent, unpragmatic shower of shyte, completely dependent on swathes of gammon vote in order to get Brexit pushed through, at which point they will sink without trace in all but their socialist heartlands.

 

[Brighton Mod]

Tosh. He had had constituents coming to him for help. It was his speech in the Commons which exposed the scandal.

Your response confirms my post, don't know where Tosh comes into it?

 

[cunning fergus]

Surely it would only be a good thing if these neo-Tory Labour members were actually being replaced by what you might term as proper socialists. Sadly though, that doesn't appear to be the case.

Instead, pragmatism has been abandoned and what we're heading for is not the Brexit socialist utopia you espouse, but the Brexit of Tories like the fat fluffy moron and the right hon member for the 17th century. The problem for socialist Labour is that they'll never, ever win an election in this country with 20% of the popular vote. I'm afraid that wanky "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" football chant will act as a rallying call for the terminally blind, because it certainly isn't being sung by the people and never will be.

Meanwhile, the middle England vote you constantly absolutely love to sneer at - tired of Tory greed and sympathetic to a more centralist Labour ideology - remain disenfranchised and can see the current Labour parliamentary for what they are - a gutless, incompetent, unpragmatic shower of shyte, completely dependent on swathes of gammon vote in order to get Brexit pushed through, at which point they will sink without trace in all but their socialist heartlands.

Yep, I would agree with your first point, the Labour Party does need to rid itself of the ranks of Tories that currently occupy its MP roles etc. I disagree with your second point that a socialist Labour Party with a clear headed vision of Brexit and holding the excesses of capitalism to account would not represent a political vision that people wouldn’t vote for.

That vision would not be the Blairite model supporting privatisation and embedding the likes of Capita and G4S in every single part of the workings of Government. Neither would it tickle the tummies of the utility and rail franchises currently milking the British public for services that absolutely should be owned by the state.

I don’t sneer at middle England, (gammon) like you do, I know who they are, and for different political motives middle England voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. I sneer at the ersatz metropolitan melts, that cannot understand the very basic principles of political ideology. There are legions of these dumb f*cks and they cannot frame their views without relying on tiresome sound bites to support their predictable recycled opinions.

Accordingly anyone moaning about why Corbyn is not opposing Brexit is a dumb f*ck. We’ve had 3 years to understand this point, so I say let’s ignore these politically minded retards and move the dial of the discussion forward.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yep, I would agree with your first point, the Labour Party does need to rid itself of the ranks of Tories that currently occupy its MP roles etc. I disagree with your second point that a socialist Labour Party with a clear headed vision of Brexit and holding the excesses of capitalism to account would not represent a political vision that people wouldn’t vote for.

That vision would not be the Blairite model supporting privatisation and embedding the likes of Capita and G4S in every single part of the workings of Government. Neither would it tickle the tummies of the utility and rail franchises currently milking the British public for services that absolutely should be owned by the state.

I don’t sneer at middle England, (gammon) like you do, I know who they are, and for different political motives middle England voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. I sneer at the ersatz metropolitan melts, that cannot understand the very basic principles of political ideology. There are legions of these dumb f*cks and they cannot frame their views without relying on tiresome sound bites to support their predictable recycled opinions.

Accordingly anyone moaning about why Corbyn is not opposing Brexit is a dumb f*ck. We’ve had 3 years to understand this point, so I say let’s ignore these politically minded retards and move the dial of the discussion forward.

You do yourself a gross disservice by dismissing others opinions as retards. You cannot debate without abuse.

 

[Simster]

Yep, I would agree with your first point, the Labour Party does need to rid itself of the ranks of Tories that currently occupy its MP roles etc. I disagree with your second point that a socialist Labour Party with a clear headed vision of Brexit and holding the excesses of capitalism to account would not represent a political vision that people wouldn’t vote for.

That vision would not be the Blairite model supporting privatisation and embedding the likes of Capita and G4S in every single part of the workings of Government. Neither would it tickle the tummies of the utility and rail franchises currently milking the British public for services that absolutely should be owned by the state.

I don’t sneer at middle England, (gammon) like you do, I know who they are, and for different political motives middle England voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. I sneer at the ersatz metropolitan melts, that cannot understand the very basic principles of political ideology. There are legions of these dumb f*cks and they cannot frame their views without relying on tiresome sound bites to support their predictable recycled opinions.

Accordingly anyone moaning about why Corbyn is not opposing Brexit is a dumb f*ck. We’ve had 3 years to understand this point, so I say let’s ignore these politically minded retards and move the dial of the discussion forward.

Your level of delusion astounds me. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever of Labour winning a majority with the brand of socialism Corbyn stands for. None whatsoever. People have long memories and talk negatively of 4 day weeks, eternal strikes and the decimation of the car industry that allowed Thatcher a free hit when it came to finishing the job.

Still, you carry on sneering at anyone left leaning who can see that, and I'll continue sneering at the deluded angry gammon who believe we're better off outside the trading block of 400 million people on our doorstep.

 

[Two Professors]

Gammon anyone?

 

[carlzeiss]

Your level of delusion astounds me. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever of Labour winning a majority with the brand of socialism Corbyn stands for. None whatsoever. People have long memories and talk negatively of 4 day weeks, eternal strikes and the decimation of the car industry that allowed Thatcher a free hit when it came to finishing the job.
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Those under a certain age will not have memories of dark days under previous labour governments and those do are gradually passing away .

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

https://youtu.be/RCtX03pT8Wc

 

[cunning fergus]

You do yourself a gross disservice by dismissing others opinions as retards. You cannot debate without abuse.

This website is full to the gunnels with opinions, many are worthy, some others in my own opinion are not, particularly when there are facts that clearly and unequivocally demonstrate that an opinion held is wrong.

Accordingly, on the subject of whether Corbyn supports leaving the EU, he always has supported leaving the EU, and the political ideology he is committed to cannot be delivered within the construct of the EU.

These are the facts, an opinion that does not recognise these facts can only come from an imbecile, retard, idiot, take your pick.........sometimes those that convey opinions that are imbicilic, retarded, idiotic etc. need to be called out for what they are.

It’s not outrageous “abuse” when it is grounded in fact.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This website is full to the gunnels with opinions, many are worthy, some others in my own opinion are not, particularly when there are facts that clearly and unequivocally demonstrate that an opinion held is wrong.

Accordingly, on the subject of whether Corbyn supports leaving the EU, he always has supported leaving the EU, and the political ideology he is committed to cannot be delivered within the construct of the EU.

These are the facts, an opinion that does not recognise these facts can only come from an imbecile, retard, idiot, take your pick.........sometimes those that convey opinions that are imbicilic, retarded, idiotic etc. need to be called out for what they are.

It’s not outrageous “abuse” when it is grounded in fact.

There are no excuses for abuse. If you consider yourself to be superior because you haven't a different opinion, you are bordering on the far right.
Opinions from retards can be disregarded, not even considered because of the retards that hold such an inferior opinion to yourself.
Abuse is abuse.

 

[cunning fergus]

Your level of delusion astounds me. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever of Labour winning a majority with the brand of socialism Corbyn stands for. None whatsoever. People have long memories and talk negatively of 4 day weeks, eternal strikes and the decimation of the car industry that allowed Thatcher a free hit when it came to finishing the job.

Still, you carry on sneering at anyone left leaning who can see that, and I'll continue sneering at the deluded angry gammon who believe we're better off outside the trading block of 400 million people on our doorstep.

To some extent I think you are right, however I think there are many people sick of the relentless capitalism that all British Govts have persued in last 30 years or so. There are plenty of things that are more important than serving the interests of global capitalism and their hard on for creating a European superstate.

You may recall we had a referendum about it 2 years ago.

 

[cunning fergus]

There are no excuses for abuse. If you consider yourself to be superior because you haven't a different opinion, you are bordering on the far right.
Opinions from retards can be disregarded, not even considered because of the retards that hold such an inferior opinion to yourself.
Abuse is abuse.

Sure, this forum is paragon of virtue in treating everyone fairly and with respect, it’s why a sizeable cohort on here congratulate themselves on an episode in the past that no doubt lost many local businesses plenty of money.

Apart from me are no supercilious posters on here..........I’m sure there will be another ban along shortly.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sure, this forum is paragon of virtue in treating everyone fairly and with respect, it’s why a sizeable cohort on here congratulate themselves on an episode in the past that no doubt lost many local businesses plenty of money.

Apart from me are no supercilious posters on here..........I’m sure there will be another ban along shortly.

This forum is not an entity, therefore cannot be a paragon of virtue.

 

[topbanana36]

Never heard so much from him as recently, future PM material?? Got to be the politician of 2017/18.

Give your head a wobble! The blokes a muppet https://youtu.be/RCtX03pT8Wc

 

[Simster]

To some extent I think you are right, however I think there are many people sick of the relentless capitalism that all British Govts have persued in last 30 years or so. There are plenty of things that are more important than serving the interests of global capitalism and their hard on for creating a European superstate.

You may recall we had a referendum about it 2 years ago.

No, I'm afraid I don't recall a referendum on whether whether or not we should reject relentless global capitalism. I do, however, recall a general election even more recently than that where the people were given the chance to vote for Corbyn's brand of socialism, and despite the presence of the most incompetent Tory administration and the weakest Liberal Democrat presence (both in my living memory), they emphatically rejected it. As usual.

As I say, it's the lack of pragmatism from the Labour party and some of it's most one-eyed socialist apologists that annoy me. There isn't a cat in hell's chance of the Labour party in it's current guise gaining power, and you'd rather delude yourself that isn't the case and sneer at the people who might make the Labour party electable.

 

[cunning fergus]

No, I'm afraid I don't recall a referendum on whether whether or not we should reject relentless global capitalism. I do, however, recall a general election even more recently than that where the people were given the chance to vote for Corbyn's brand of socialism, and despite the presence of the most incompetent Tory administration and the weakest Liberal Democrat presence (both in my living memory), they emphatically rejected it. As usual.

As I say, it's the lack of pragmatism from the Labour party and some of it's most one-eyed socialist apologists that annoy me. There isn't a cat in hell's chance of the Labour party in it's current guise gaining power, and you'd rather delude yourself that isn't the case and sneer at the people who might make the Labour party electable.

Those that want to make the Labour Party electable are not socialists, if they were they would be lining up behind Brexit to further the interests of the British working class, or as you would collectively refer to them.......Gammon.

Socialism does not need to be Corbyn’s brand, and certainly not a complete handover of power to the unions or persuit of a quasi Venezuelan state.

Public ownership of state assets, active management of the U.K. labour market, active management of the U.K. property market and redistribution of state monies destined to governmental/quango capitalist structures would all be popular with voters.

You won’t see these policies as opportunities because you are Toy minded and ideologically opposed to them.........it’s why you and others like you gleefully refer to the British working class that voted leave as Gammon.