Dave Brailsford - Next England Manager?

[Stat Brother]

I've been kicking this around on Le Tour thread for a while, so why not open it up.

Would Dave B make a good England Manager?

We know what he's about:-
- Learn everything he possibly can.
- Scour the planet for the best coaches, irrespective of their sport or nationality.
- Implement a structure of discipline, respect, and belief.

Obviously it'll never happen, and in fairness I'm quite happy with Roy, maybe if Capello had stayed on through the Euro's.
Plus without 'central contracts' he'd be stuffed before he starts, but hey surely to would be worth a punt!

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Completely different job. Brailsford get to work with his team day-in, day-out and train them as he wants. The England manager sees his players once every couple of months and is at the whim of the clubs.

 

[teaboy]

Completely different job. Brailsford get to work with his team day-in, day-out and train them as he wants. The England manager sees his players once every couple of months and is at the whim of the clubs.

Which is why we don't win anything. Change the set up to change the outcome. If the FA really wanted to invest in winning the world cup and euros then they could, but won't as the clubs are too powerful.

 

[Simster]

Would Dave B make a good England Manager?

No, he'd make a shit manager. See Clive Woodward and Southampton FC for details. Alternatively we could always put Sir Alex Ferguson in charge of Team Sky at the next Tour or Giro or whatever and see what happens.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Which is why we don't win anything. Change the set up to change the outcome. If the FA really wanted to invest in winning the world cup and euros then they could, but won't as the clubs are too powerful.

Agree. In cricket, the counties main job is to produce players for England - this has been stated many times. In football you have a constant baattle between the Premiership and The FA, and money wins every time. Persoally, I'd rather have a strong league, I'm really not bothered about the national team.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

No, he'd make a shit manager. See Clive Woodward and Southampton FC for details. Alternatively we could always put Sir Alex Ferguson in charge of Team Sky at the next Tour or Giro or whatever and see what happens.

Not sure you can make the Woodward comparison to be fair. Brailsford has started from scratch, built and organised the team and turned relatively average tour riders into tour winners. I am a massive cycling fan but thought Sky were really pushing it when they said they would win a yellow jersey in 5 years, and they've done it in 3. Woodward organised very simple rugby around a golden generation of players - helped by how competitive Union was over League (Robinson), and blessed with a guy who just couldn't miss a kick from anywhere in the opposition half. You only have to look at the Lions shambles to see what kind of coach/manager he really was.

Brailsford would make an excellent consultant/manager in my opinion, provided there was a footballing coach who actually ran the team and made the technical decisions.

 

[nwgull]

Woodward organised very simple rugby around a golden generation of players - helped by how competitive Union was over League (Robinson), and blessed with a guy who just couldn't miss a kick from anywhere in the opposition half. You only have to look at the Lions shambles to see what kind of coach/manager he really was.
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Unfair. Woodward revolutionised the way that the England rugby team was run. He employed and managed the best coaches, nutritionists and medical staff available, and his attention to detail was incredible; he even took a legal expert when England travelled. The world cup win - England were only the 2nd team to win it on foreign soil - was a culmination of 6 years work, not just down to the talented players he had at his disposal. If the All Blacks had had someone like Woodward at the helm for a significant period, they would probably have just won their 4th or 5th world cup.

 

[teaboy]

No, he'd make a shit manager. See Clive Woodward and Southampton FC for details. Alternatively we could always put Sir Alex Ferguson in charge of Team Sky at the next Tour or Giro or whatever and see what happens.

Not sure you can make the Woodward comparison to be fair. Brailsford has started from scratch, built and organised the team and turned relatively average tour riders into tour winners. I am a massive cycling fan but thought Sky were really pushing it when they said they would win a yellow jersey in 5 years, and they've done it in 3. Woodward organised very simple rugby around a golden generation of players - helped by how competitive Union was over League (Robinson), and blessed with a guy who just couldn't miss a kick from anywhere in the opposition half. You only have to look at the Lions shambles to see what kind of coach/manager he really was.

Brailsford would make an excellent consultant/manager in my opinion, provided there was a footballing coach who actually ran the team and made the technical decisions.

To be fair Brailsford took a poor, dysfunctional, amateur and disjointed British Cycling team and put all the eggs into one basket. The then built a good track team, brought in coaches and athletes from other sports and built the best track team the world has ever seen. He then took riders from this track team and built an average road team. From there he learnt how to race on the road, and built the best road squad possible. This took about 15 years to come to fruition from start to finish.

There's no way he'd get the freedom and financial support to do similar in football.

 

[Brian Fantana]

I think it's a very interesting debate indeed. In more general terms, it is always fascinating to discuss how transferable coaches can be between different sports. Are motivational and organisational abilities, coupled with huge attention to detail, enough for someone to take on a job overseeing a team/nation in a different sport to what they are used to? Providing, of course, that they can bring in world class coaches and other staff from that particular sporting background.

 

[W.C.]

I don't pretend to know anything about this bloke or cycling at all but did read an article on how the sport has been transformed in the UK recently and couldn't help thinking some of it could be applied to football.

 

[nwgull]

I don't pretend to know anything about this bloke or cycling at all but did read an article on how the sport has been transformed in the UK recently and couldn't help thinking some of it could be applied to football.

Unlikely I'm afraid. The reason it has worked so well is because the whole British cycling squad is based in Manchester, so the coaches can guide and monitor the riders on a daily basis. Club football dominates our game to the extent that England managers - I'm assuming you're talking about the national team - are lucky to get the players away from their clubs for 3 days every couple of months.

 

[Comedy Steve]

No, he'd make a shit manager. See Clive Woodward and Southampton FC for details. Alternatively we could always put Sir Alex Ferguson in charge of Team Sky at the next Tour or Giro or whatever and see what happens.

My first thoughts as soon as I saw this thread title.

 

[Marxo]

I think he'd be better as head of all football, overseeing the whole deal. That would suit his skills far better. The only thing is would a Welshman want to do the job for England rather than work for GB or an international set up. We could always have him as PM though!

 

[Stat Brother]

No, he'd make a shit manager. See Clive Woodward and Southampton FC for details. Alternatively we could always put Sir Alex Ferguson in charge of Team Sky at the next Tour or Giro or whatever and see what happens.

My first thoughts as soon as I saw this thread title.

When I was kicking this idea around someone mentioned Woodward and Soton didn't get on, because there wasn't the level of professionalism in football, he required to do the job.
Pi$$ing around in training, bunking off, etc, total player power, all carrot no stick.

 

[Stat Brother]

Also this was kind of a exercise.
I'm somewhat surprised it's a genuine topic for debate.

 

[pork pie]

I've been kicking this around on Le Tour thread for a while, so why not open it up.

Would Dave B make a good England Manager?

We know what he's about:-
- Learn everything he possibly can.
- Scour the planet for the best coaches, irrespective of their sport or nationality.
- Implement a structure of discipline, respect, and belief.

Obviously it'll never happen, and in fairness I'm quite happy with Roy, maybe if Capello had stayed on through the Euro's.
Plus without 'central contracts' he'd be stuffed before he starts, but hey surely to would be worth a punt!

Who is he? Not one of your f***ing push-bike fraternity? If you want someone like that, but used to a mans sport, you would be better off with SIR Clive Woodwood.

 

[Stat Brother]

Who is he? Not one of your f***ing push-bike fraternity?

Yeah you're right who can kick a ball in sandals.

Good old Illiterate 'Arry's your man.

 

[W.C.]

Unlikely I'm afraid. The reason it has worked so well is because the whole British cycling squad is based in Manchester, so the coaches can guide and monitor the riders on a daily basis. Club football dominates our game to the extent that England managers - I'm assuming you're talking about the national team - are lucky to get the players away from their clubs for 3 days every couple of months.

I was thinking more from a grass roots level. I was just impressed by their motivation and pursuit of excellence.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I wouldn't wish having to work with those wankers at the FA on my worst enemy.

 

[Stat Brother]

DB although talking of his loyalty to cycling, just didn't dismiss football, on BBC1.

Go Dave