[Albion] Dan Ashworth’s thoughts on our transfer window

[dazzer6666]

In every sensible world it would be 100% incorrect, that is correct. And no one is going to admit to themselves and even less so to others that they are not happy with how TB is running the club. Its taboo.

But the posters who continue to moan about the lack of investment, about the "we havent signed a good striker in 30 years!!!!!", "you said you want us to turn into a top 10 club - DO SOMETHING THEN" and all the other nonsense - they are indirectly saying: sorry, Tony Bloom is just not rich and clever enough and the club would be better off with Abdullah-Chen Rockefellerovich.

Saying "I believe in Tony Bloom and appreciate him" while in the next sentence indirectly bashing him and his work, day out and day in becomes a silly. Cant have the cake and eat it too.

Nope. You’re extrapolating the continuous, entitled noise from a small handful of waily (and impatient) bedwetters on here and interpreting that to be speaking for a larger %. As [MENTION=15046]peterward[/MENTION] suggests, the number wanting anyone other than TB as owner is likely to be miniscule - I’d go as far as saying that among PL owners he is quite possibly the most popular amongst a club’s own fans. Very, very few would want anyone else, or even a partner investment. We saw the same about the academy......a few being very negative that it was a ‘waste of money’ and hadn’t produced anything - after 2-3 years. It’s laughable. It’s the same with Top 10. It’s not a 20/21 objective.

 

[peterward]

Has anyone told your wife that you've changed her PW?

Pretty sure the first one knows, either that or someone nicked half of everything!

 

[symyjym]

Spain managed to field a winning team without strikers. And I am of the opinion of goals being scored whatever the role of the player is on the field. The main thing is having a squad who work as one and always give 100% which I think we have.

 

[peterward]

I would disagree. The amount of people on here moaning over how the club is run kind of dismantles your argument. Fortunately NSC is a very narrow-minded small section of Brighton fans and probably the most hysterical.

I don’t think so. I think it’s bunch of very different people and different opinions who all share a deep love and emotional attachment to our club.

Fundamentally we all love and care for the Albion, and that just manifests differently.

If moaning and trying to express opinions to change things for the better meant you didn’t still love or care anymore, the Mrs would’ve long since legged it!

 

[Frutos]

Fortunately NSC is a very narrow-minded small section of Brighton fans and probably the most hysterical.

I love the irony of one of the most hysterical posters on here tarring the forum as a whole with that brush...

 

[southstandandy]

Maybe my expectations are low but if we could finish 15th every season or thereabouts, in arguably the strongest league in the world then I'm happy with that.

Of course we have ambition to want to do better but unless we have a one off season like Sheffied United did last year, trying to finish mid-table or top of the bottom half would be an amazing achievement. I'm confident we will be ok this season and like to idea of going for younger players to develop. Yes, I wouldn't have complained if we had brought in Nunez or Watkins, but we didn't. No complaints from me.

A sense of reality and perspective makes me realise we are doing pretty well at the moment, and but for huge misfortune against Man Utd we'd be sitting mid table now with a healthy looking 6 points. Wins in our next two matches which I'm confident we can get and the picture will look very different.

 

[AZ Gull]

Again, absolutely no one wants to replace Bloom with a dodgy but rich foreign owner. No one. He's said the club will stay in his family and I believe him.

That does not put him beyond criticism. If you were to see posts on here, on my old blog and other blogs and in the TSLR fanzine and We Are Brighton from when Hyypia was manager and Burke was in charge of recruitment, and we were nearly going down from the Championship lead by the likes of Gary Gardener, you'll see bed wetting on a scale the current posts can only dream of. I even thought Barber was a wrong 'un for a while. But nowhere there will you see anyone suggesting Bloom should leave the club, Only that he got a couple of key appointments wrong. People do, from time to time.

I actually think you'd see this place explode if Bloom went to sell to the Chinese or something. Not that he would. But that doesn't mean people can't have an opinion on player recuitment, even if that opinion comes from ignorance.

Unfortunately, the bit I've highlighted is simply untrue. Sure, the vast majority of Albion fans would never want Bloom to sell, but there have been occasional posts from (what I have to presume are) actual Albion fans who either overtly, or implicitly, have mooted that Bloom exhibits "a lack of ambition" on the pitch:-

From 2014 - Could Tony Bloom sell the club

Have noticed an influx of foreign ownership in the championship recently. Charlton, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Reading. With the infrastructure in place at the albion and the potential for more commercial spin offs ie Hotel etc could Brighton be a prime target for acquisition? there have been a few rumours floating around recently.

Despite Bloom promising to keep the albion “in house” I find it odd now that he doesn’t want to push the extra mile to get the squad up to the required standard. Would it seem too far fetched to suggest that his relative lack of ambition on the field would perhaps make supporters more inclined to allow an outsider to take over and Bloom is therefore not too interested in pushing the boat out with this in mind?

Or does this all sound far fetched?

From 2017 - Time for Bloom to sell?

I've woken up this morning to see that we didn't sign a striker yesterday. This sends a clear signal to me that Bloom doesn't have the funds and/or will for us to stay in the PL.

With this in mind, is it time for him to step aside and sell to a foreign investor?

Someones head has to roll for our inability to sign a striker and in my opinion that should start at the top. I think he's just shown a massive lack of ambition and fear we are destined for the Championship next season.

 

[Frutos]

Unfortunately, the bit I've highlighted is simply untrue. Sure, the vast majority of Albion fans would never want Bloom to sell, but there have been occasional posts from (what I have to presume are) actual Albion fans who either overtly, or implicitly, have mooted that Bloom exhibits "a lack of ambition" on the pitch:-

From 2014 - Could Tony Bloom sell the club



From 2017 - Time for Bloom to sell?

I don't think you can take dwayne and junior as any kind of representative sample.

We could beat Bayern 5-1 in the Champions League final and they'd be on here whinging about the defending for the one we'd let in.

 

[dazzer6666]

Unfortunately, the bit I've highlighted is simply untrue. Sure, the vast majority of Albion fans would never want Bloom to sell, but there have been occasional posts from (what I have to presume are) actual Albion fans who either overtly, or implicitly, have mooted that Bloom exhibits "a lack of ambition" on the pitch:-

From 2014 - Could Tony Bloom sell the club



From 2017 - Time for Bloom to sell?

Bit pedantic I think - don't let the postings of what most of us believe to be an absolutely tiny minority affect the narrative. It's a forum - there will always be left-field views, regardless of the subject matter. It's 'almost absolutely no-one' IMO.

 

[trueblue]

Very reasonable interview but trying to put a positive spin on a situation the club probably aren't that happy with themselves. It seems a certainty they'd have liked to add to the striker options but if the right player's not available, better that they don't rather than waste the money - especially in the current climate. As Andy Naylor has pointed out, it's actually not that long until the January window this season so there is still potential then. That said, trying to re-brand the likes of Trossard and Ali J as strikers is a bit of a stretch. Yes, we've got a lot of attacking options. But we've got one decent FINISHER, another who's very promising and another who's a complete unknown quantity.

It's all a bit of a gamble. The worrying aspect is that I'd hoped we had irons in the fire that might come off before 2021 - but that doesn't appear to be the case unless Ashworth is as adept at keeping a poker face as his boss.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Unfortunately, the bit I've highlighted is simply untrue. Sure, the vast majority of Albion fans would never want Bloom to sell, but there have been occasional posts from (what I have to presume are) actual Albion fans who either overtly, or implicitly, have mooted that Bloom exhibits "a lack of ambition" on the pitch:-

From 2014 - Could Tony Bloom sell the club



From 2017 - Time for Bloom to sell?

If you’d have asked seasoned NSC users to guess which 2 posters would have written such drivel I’m pretty confident those 2 would have been very popular suggestions.

 

[Hamilton]

Seems quite reasonable to me. It looks like the interviewer asked “the NSC striker question”.

His answer is very sound.

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He sounds like he knows what he is doing.

#ASHWORTHOUT

 

[Swansman]

Nope. You’re extrapolating the continuous, entitled noise from a small handful of waily (and impatient) bedwetters on here and interpreting that to be speaking for a larger %. As [MENTION=15046]peterward[/MENTION] suggests, the number wanting anyone other than TB as owner is likely to be miniscule - I’d go as far as saying that among PL owners he is quite possibly the most popular amongst a club’s own fans. Very, very few would want anyone else, or even a partner investment. We saw the same about the academy......a few being very negative that it was a ‘waste of money’ and hadn’t produced anything - after 2-3 years. It’s laughable. It’s the same with Top 10. It’s not a 20/21 objective.

No, hence the word "some" in my first reply to this thread. These "some" are everywhere, however, repeating their badly hidden wish to be Manchester City.

Why don't you think before you write, and speak from your mouth rather than your arse.

Start a poll, you'll see what utter dog shit this is.

I'd be gobsmacked if even 5% would swap lifelong fan and the man that got us here and bankrolled everything from Stadium, training ground, academy, squad and losses. Tony Bloom is one of us, we love him, he's a Brighton legend.

You really think frustrated at squad depth that makes some worried about chances = bin our fan/chairman/saviour?

Staggeringly stupid assertion again. You know little about Brighton fans.

Of course I do, just like everyone else. How many Brighton fans are there? 50 000? 100 000? 200 000? 200 000 different brains, personalities and opinions. My words were directed to that loud-mouthed "less than 5%". Some people, like you, are a bit annoying with your obvious lack of grasp of the reality we live in, but thats fine - completely acceptable and your opinions are based on fantasy in this eternal striker question, but at least I know you are not obsessed with complaining about every single part of the club every single day - which makes you different from the "dwayne" species.

Again, absolutely no one wants to replace Bloom with a dodgy but rich foreign owner. No one. He's said the club will stay in his family and I believe him.

That does not put him beyond criticism. If you were to see posts on here, on my old blog and other blogs and in the TSLR fanzine and We Are Brighton from when Hyypia was manager and Burke was in charge of recruitment, and we were nearly going down from the Championship lead by the likes of Gary Gardener, you'll see bed wetting on a scale the current posts can only dream of. I even thought Barber was a wrong 'un for a while. But nowhere there will you see anyone suggesting Bloom should leave the club, Only that he got a couple of key appointments wrong. People do, from time to time.

I actually think you'd see this place explode if Bloom went to sell to the Chinese or something. Not that he would. But that doesn't mean people can't have an opinion on player recuitment, even if that opinion comes from ignorance.

Its not true. For the vast majority, you are certainly right, but if you think long and hard about it there are certain posters that - while not saying it outright - would prefer the club to be this super-giant mega corporation owned by i.e. Saudi Inc. AZ Gull mentioned a few examples. Its not about having some critisism about what the club is trying to do, but about this small minority of people actively looking for ways to take a shit all over the club.

Sometimes fans of sports clubs etc. say "ok, but we all got in common that we love the club". This is never true. Some "supporters" have a wifebeater relation to their club - they might say they love it, but to them its really just a vehicle (or possesison) to bash at every single opportunity. Its frankly ridicilous and annoying: just like in the case of wifebeaters, its based on grandios self-perspectives and a desperate or pathological obession with finding imperfection elsewhere and "dealing" with that imperfection in a way that their perfect selves are entitled to.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I don't think you can take dwayne and junior as any kind of representative sample.

We could beat Bayern 5-1 in the Champions League final and they'd be on here whinging about the defending for the one we'd let in.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Cost is irrelevant, could be a free. We play great and win 2 games with 352, confidence is up then March gets injured and Maupay is sent off - there is no back up plan.

I'm pretty sure there is a back up plan. It's just the likes of you and me are not privy to it.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

It's clear both from the whispers in and around the market over the last month or so, as well as what Dan Ashworth actually says in that interview, that we were looking for a striker, but weren't able to find the right one at the right price, by whatever assessment the club use.

I don't doubt there were plenty of Locadia-type rolls-of-the-dice the club could have taken a £15-20m punt on, but they didn't which doesn't feel unreasonable in the current climate.

This does leave us very thin on options though. I might buy a lucky heather myself.

Exactly I imagine we are alot more cautious based on the spend and outcomes over the last few years.

Buying established / recognised youth players for us to develop whilst maintaining a value of some kind if it doesn’t work out is less risky than a locadia situation, we are lucky someone has taken him on loan first and foremost.


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[Weststander]

A good point about the finance, but this puzzles me as to why we keep spending so much money on potential foreign youngsters. Another £10 million yesterday and I would love to know how much in total the club has spent on these players since this policy began. Not one of them seems likely to break into the front side any time soon. It’s not my money, but I would have thought the money be better spent on the first team to consolidate our position in the Premier League first

The £30m fee for a striker is not the only major cost involved. The agent’s snout would need to be fed in the £m’s and wages with employers national insurance might be £4m a year.

On a non cert. [Joelinton, Benteke, Carroll, Solanke]

Development and fringe young players signing, would be on minuscule pay by comparison.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Correct.



Correct.



100% incorrect. Again, I'll let you off because you are not from round here and don't know the history and depth of feeling for our owner, nor the depth of his pockets.

People on here love Bloom. Every Brighton fan loves Bloom. But many on here either want to spend his money for him, do not understand the complexities of a normal transfer window, let alone a Covid one, do not understand a coach's desire to coach or all three. Mostly it's all three.

Personally it’s the frustration of the situation where everyone else is seemingly throwing big money around, but equally it’s fully understood why we haven’t.


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[Paulie Gualtieri]

Have you read the Argus comments section?

Always assumed it was a poster with multiple accounts having a fake argument!


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[peterward]

No, hence the word "some" in my first reply to this thread. These "some" are everywhere, however, repeating their badly hidden wish to be Manchester City.



Of course I do, just like everyone else. How many Brighton fans are there? 50 000? 100 000? 200 000? 200 000 different brains, personalities and opinions. My words were directed to that loud-mouthed "less than 5%". Some people, like you, are a bit annoying with your obvious lack of grasp of the reality we live in, but thats fine - completely acceptable and your opinions are based on fantasy in this eternal striker question, but at least I know you are not obsessed with complaining about every single part of the club every single day - which makes you different from the "dwayne" species.



Its not true. For the vast majority, you are certainly right, but if you think long and hard about it there are certain posters that - while not saying it outright - would prefer the club to be this super-giant mega corporation owned by i.e. Saudi Inc. AZ Gull mentioned a few examples. Its not about having some critisism about what the club is trying to do, but about this small minority of people actively looking for ways to take a shit all over the club.

Sometimes fans of sports clubs etc. say "ok, but we all got in common that we love the club". This is never true. Some "supporters" have a wifebeater relation to their club - they might say they love it, but to them its really just a vehicle (or possesison) to bash at every single opportunity. Its frankly ridicilous and annoying: just like in the case of wifebeaters, its based on grandios self-perspectives and a desperate or pathological obession with finding imperfection elsewhere and "dealing" with that imperfection in a way that their perfect selves are entitled to.

Sorry to be pedantic, and where is the word "some" in the post at [MENTION=27279]dazzer6666[/MENTION] replied to, or even your first post..... It doesn't exist and something else simply made up.


You live in a fantasy world. Writing stories and then trying to shoehorn Brighton fans into this make believe narrative you're convinced is true.

I have have a good grasp of reality. That reality was prepared to spend 25 million on Nunez, it also did buy 2 Polish lads for over 10 million. That in itself shows its not zero money available, it's also not a lack of options, its simply that the club are not prepared to buy if a player doesn't fall within the club's own tight acquisition rule book. Even if like for like options are sparse, which in turn could backfire.

You also write as if you have a monopoly on what is allowed or what someone should be allowed to say or express. I find Dwayne tough, but he is allowed to say what he thinks, I don't doubt he is a Brighton fan, and if that doesn't conform with your worldview that doesn't automatically make you right and him wrong. It's a difference of opinion...... Even if he alone wanted Abramovich, he's entitled to that view. But what I don't see others doing is telling them absolutes of what "is clear" of how they think or feel, especially about a club they've supported for decades or the best owner the club has ever had, without whom none of this happens...... It's incredibly patronising.

I obviously voted Potter in with that silly Poll, 2 days ago.

I might vote Out next time......not that I'd want to lose Potter, but at least if he did leave, your stupid absolutes, and patronising narratives might follow him to another set of lifelong fans.

Alladyce IN