StonehamPark
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Cyclist Vs Taxi
- Thread starter StonehamPark
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Uncle Buck
Ghost Writer
- Jul 7, 2003
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The cyclist is undertaking, so his fault.
Why do cyclists not have insurance, as their actions on the road can cause damage to cars as well.
Why do cyclists not have insurance, as their actions on the road can cause damage to cars as well.
Trufflehound
Re-enfranchised
Both idiots. Cyclists shouldn't have been overtaking on the inside; taxi driver should have been looking where he was going.
Good to see it was sorted out amicably for once.
Good to see it was sorted out amicably for once.
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grubbyhands
Well-known member
Given that the taxi was indicating to turn left, a fact that the cyclist should have been aware of, on this occasion the cyclist is at fault.
BensGrandad
New member
100% cyclist overtaking on the inside near a road junction, as usual.
grubbyhands
Well-known member
"as usual" is harsh but correct in apportioning blame on this occasion.
spanish flair
Well-known member
Although not clear, I think the taxi is signalling to turn left, if so the cyclist is at fault.
GloryDays
Well-known member
That's not undertaking. They're just cycling on the main road. The taxi driver needs to check his mirrors really - that's basic stuff overlooked for laziness. That being said cyclists have to expect, at any junction, that a vehicle is going to turn into their path and they need to think a step ahead. Fine margins and all that. Luckily no one got too hurt!
Nice to see everyone walking away and not providing any soundbites unlike this guy. Absolute classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PFRdEUN240
BensGrandad
New member
As usual because cyclists tend to act as if they own the road because they are vulnerable and whatever they wish to do is ok and it is everybody else who should get out of their way whether on foot or in a vehicle.
maltaseagull
Well-known member
Taxi was indicating to turn left but I always taught pupils, when I was a driving instructor, to check the relevant side mirror before turning. So it may have been avoidable.
I would say that the cyclist was at fault here as the taxi was clearly showing he was turning left.
On a positive note, as already stated, ended amicably and nobody was hurt.
Rodney Thomas
Well-known member
I've looked at it a few times now... does it appear that the taxi indicted very late (almost as the cyclist was parallel with it)?
Uncle Buck
Ghost Writer
- Jul 7, 2003
- 28,075
The cyclist overtook on the inside of the taxi, which you are not allowed to do. I know people do it, but you are not allowed to, so the cyclist was at fault.
However, if the cyclist, who is at fault had damaged the taxi, the taxi would have had to pay the costs as the cyclist was no insurance.
If cyclists want to use the public highways, it should be mandatory for them to have some form of third party insurance to cover damage they may cause to vehicles.
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
- Thread starter
- #14
Yep, this was my first thought when watching it.
Rules for Cyclists - From The Highway Code
Rule 72
On the left. When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you, out of or into the side road. Just before you turn, check for undertaking cyclists or motorcyclists. Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left.
Cyclist shouldn't have undertaken, but looked at it a couple of times and I think the taxi started indicating very late (only after the cyclist had gone past the rear end and as he started to turn) so both at fault.
GloryDays
Well-known member
Well, I'm no driver, nor cyclist, so I'm not going to start an arguement about it as I'm probably, almost defo wrong. The bus lane add another level of "where should the cyclist be" but I just thought one certainly can't expect all cyclists to move to the outside of a car to pass. That would basically be like pearl harbour. I would have also been pretty peeved that the signal from the taxi came about .25 of a second before they began to turn which doesn't make the signal that useful at all.
But yeah, if we're talking law then you're probably right since I don't know it.
Totally agree with you on the insurance thing. I'm sure there would be far less incidents like this as a result as well. Maybe one day.
JCL666
absurdism
- Sep 23, 2011
- 2,190
The cyclist is not overtaking. That is a busy road, on busy roads where there are multiple lanes and the inside lane moves faster than the outside lane is considered "filtering". It applies to cars as well.
There's a decent explanation here>>> http://www.cyclelaw.co.uk/overtaking-and-filtering-whilst-cycling
In this instance, the taxi signals late, the cyclist doesn't see it. No one is really to blame, both should have exercised a bit more caution.
Although it's hard to see it looks like the Taxi did: No Mirror - Maneuver - Signal. If this is the case the taxi is 90% at fault, and anyone saying otherwise should probably not be on the road! The number of drivers that can't seem to draft Mirror-signal-maneuver is frightening, particularly indicating when halfway through a turn.
I don't think you can say no-one is to blame as that suggests it was unavoidable.
I don't think you can say no-one is to blame as that suggests it was unavoidable.
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Cyclist was Right RIP
Cyclist is an idiot. Undertaking is called filtering (not illegal, just ill advised) but most of the time it is idiotic.
Even undertaking stationary vehicles at junctions requires extreme caution. Overtaking is obligatory even then.
This is the reason why inexperienced cyclists have more accidents than old timers cause they make manouevers like that.
Racing cyclists undertake proper destination cyclists as well, thinking they are in a peloton. Crash waiting to happen.
Cyclist is an idiot. Undertaking is called filtering (not illegal, just ill advised) but most of the time it is idiotic.
Even undertaking stationary vehicles at junctions requires extreme caution. Overtaking is obligatory even then.
This is the reason why inexperienced cyclists have more accidents than old timers cause they make manouevers like that.
Racing cyclists undertake proper destination cyclists as well, thinking they are in a peloton. Crash waiting to happen.
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