[Travel] Cycle lanes - good for the environment, congestion, health and the economy

[Herr Tubthumper]

Feel free to share with the class your carbon footprint - https://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx

Here's mine ( gas and electric were an estimate ).

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PS - yes, very scary - maybe everyone should try it.

Hmmmm. It’s higher than I expected

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Hmmmm. It’s higher than I expected

Nice avoidance. Come on, don't be shy. After all you've signed a petition because of this type of thing so it seems reasonable you share your footprint with all as you're so concerned.

I'll even help you - you live in Germany not the UK.

 

[Stat Brother]

It's amazing what you can hijack when you really put your mind to it.

 

[Bakero]

Feel free to share with the class your carbon footprint - https://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx

Here's mine ( gas and electric were an estimate ).

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PS - yes, very scary - maybe everyone should try it.

I win

 

[Badger Boy]

With regards to Old Shoreham Road's cycle lane, I think it's a good idea but it's badly designed at this stage. Olive Road has needed a redesign for quite a while. I think the junction could do with a set of traffic lights to enable a right turn onto Old Shoreham Road. Also, heading west, there needs to be a rethink about the junction with Hangleton Road and Boundary Road. Personally, I think the cycle lane should route down one of the closed roads and then the road becomes two lanes again, with the right turn lane as well.

 

[Chicken Run]

With regards to Old Shoreham Road's cycle lane, I think it's a good idea but it's badly designed at this stage. Olive Road has needed a redesign for quite a while. I think the junction could do with a set of traffic lights to enable a right turn onto Old Shoreham Road. Also, heading west, there needs to be a rethink about the junction with Hangleton Road and Boundary Road. Personally, I think the cycle lane should route down one of the closed roads and then the road becomes two lanes again, with the right turn lane as well.

Living in the area as I do I can honestly say they have ****ed this scheme right up! One lane of a duel carriage way from the Goldstone Ground to Boundary Road, great idea during lock down, now ****ing remove it!

 

[Badger Boy]

Living in the area as I do I can honestly say they have ****ed this scheme right up! One lane of a duel carriage way from the Goldstone Ground to Boundary Road, great idea during lock down, now ****ing remove it!

Expletives aside, you can understand what they were trying to do, can't you? I agree that they've done it incredibly badly. Just to show up and make the changes without giving residents the opportunity to voice their concerns and criticisms is definitely wrong. I think they should have allowed a public consultation and really considered the local impact. I'm in favour of the scheme in general, but they have to design it properly and they have to think the whole thing through. It's clearly not working as designed, heading east from the junction by Sainsbury's and the merging of the lanes was not well considered. The merge should happen further up the road with proper signage earlier on.

The traffic lights just west of Stapley Road could become a zebra crossing with a full set of traffic lights at Olive Road to control the whole junction. Maybe there's an argument for the cycle lane starting and ending there. I'm all for improving the cycle network, but there are plenty of supply roads which are better to cycle.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Nice avoidance. Come on, don't be shy. After all you've signed a petition because of this type of thing so it seems reasonable you share your footprint with all as you're so concerned.

I'll even help you - you live in Germany not the UK.

I entered all my data and made the aforementioned corrections for 0 children and carbon neutral travel and that’s what came up.

 

[Chicken Run]

Expletives aside, you can understand what they were trying to do, can't you? I agree that they've done it incredibly badly. Just to show up and make the changes without giving residents the opportunity to voice their concerns and criticisms is definitely wrong. I think they should have allowed a public consultation and really considered the local impact. I'm in favour of the scheme in general, but they have to design it properly and they have to think the whole thing through. It's clearly not working as designed, heading east from the junction by Sainsbury's and the merging of the lanes was not well considered. The merge should happen further up the road with proper signage earlier on.

The traffic lights just west of Stapley Road could become a zebra crossing with a full set of traffic lights at Olive Road to control the whole junction. Maybe there's an argument for the cycle lane starting and ending there. I'm all for improving the cycle network, but there are plenty of supply roads which are better to cycle.

I’m gob smacked that someone actually sat down and presented this to the highways agency and they signed it off, that would have happened right?

And why does it take 24 hours to implement it yet a consultation to remove it, it does say “temporary “ on all the yellow signs!!

 

[Stat Brother]

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[Stat Brother]

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[WilburySeagull]

With regards to Old Shoreham Road's cycle lane, I think it's a good idea but it's badly designed at this stage. Olive Road has needed a redesign for quite a while. I think the junction could do with a set of traffic lights to enable a right turn onto Old Shoreham Road. Also, heading west, there needs to be a rethink about the junction with Hangleton Road and Boundary Road. Personally, I think the cycle lane should route down one of the closed roads and then the road becomes two lanes again, with the right turn lane as well.

I have made some comments via the consultation link. Whilst I generally support the scheme it does need some changes. In particular the cycle lane west should end well before the Hangleton Road/Station Road traffic lights, possibly as you say at Olive Road.

Having thought about it some more I actually wonder if for this one a pedestrian/cycle sharing option might work better given the relative lack of pedestrian traffic along OSR.

I comment as motorist cyclist and pedestrian.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Nice avoidance. Come on, don't be shy. After all you've signed a petition because of this type of thing so it seems reasonable you share your footprint with all as you're so concerned.

I'll even help you - you live in Germany not the UK.

“The biggest contribution anyone can make to the climate crisis is not to have children. So why do we still treat parenthood as the default?”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/25/why-a-generation-is-choosing-to-be-child-free


This balanced, objective, informed, measured and insightful article appeared in today’s Guardian and further backs up my altruistic actions and eco warrior credentials.

 

[Stat Brother]

“The biggest contribution anyone can make to the climate crisis is not to have children. So why do we still treat parenthood as the default?”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/25/why-a-generation-is-choosing-to-be-child-free


This balanced, objective, informed, measured and insightful article appeared in today’s Guardian and further backs up my altruistic actions and eco warrior credentials.

On that note can you two take your name calling and hair pulling elsewhere.

I appreciate nothing new is being said here, esp by me.
But even if you're not bored of this 'how many flights do you take?' circle of nothing (I'd be amazed if you weren't) I'm pretty sure everyone else is, so 'sustainably transport' on.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

“The biggest contribution anyone can make to the climate crisis is not to have children. So why do we still treat parenthood as the default?”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/25/why-a-generation-is-choosing-to-be-child-free


This balanced, objective, informed, measured and insightful article appeared in today’s Guardian and further backs up my altruistic actions and eco warrior credentials.

Good for you but we'll ignore that you fiddled your flight data and also clearly live in a cave without electricy and gas. As for children, who are you expecting to pay for your pension ? Mine ?

 

[Gwylan]

As for children, who are you expecting to pay for your pension ? Mine ?

Yes, it's all very well saying that it's good not to have children but if everyone said that then, in 50 years time, we'd have 70 year-old-fighters trying to pull people out of fires and 70-year-old coppers chasing crims or 70-year-old brickies lugging bricks around. Hell, we may even be watching 50-year-old footballers.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Yes, it's all very well saying that it's good not to have children but if everyone said that then, in 50 years time, we'd have 70 year-old-fighters trying to pull people out of fires and 70-year-old coppers chasing crims or 70-year-old brickies lugging bricks around. Hell, we may even be watching 50-year-old footballers.

There is a difference to having one child than two to four.

I am childless and won’t allow sanctimonious bores moralise me about the half dozen flights I take each year, when they have 2 plus children.

To much me, me, me these days.

 

[Gwylan]

There is a difference to having one child than two to four.

That's not what was said though ....

“The biggest contribution anyone can make to the climate crisis is not to have children

 

[Mr Putdown]

Yes, it's all very well saying that it's good not to have children but if everyone said that then, in 50 years time, we'd have 70 year-old-fighters trying to pull people out of fires and 70-year-old coppers chasing crims or 70-year-old brickies lugging bricks around. Hell, we may even be watching 50-year-old footballers.

Maybe people need to decide whether they want to save the planet or save Homo sapiens?

 

[Chicken Run]

Yes, it's all very well saying that it's good not to have children but if everyone said that then, in 50 years time, we'd have 70 year-old-fighters trying to pull people out of fires and 70-year-old coppers chasing crims or 70-year-old brickies lugging bricks around. Hell, we may even be watching 50-year-old footballers.

Yeah but he cops would be chasing 70 yo crims though [emoji23]