Cult Advice

[Lyndhurst 14]

Sounds like a modern incarnation of Scientology and Dianetcs training. Televangelists often use a similar model of cash grabbing on vulnerable people.

HBO did a very good documentary in the States about Scientology called "Going Clear" - not sure if it's been shown in the UK - but it ripped them apart and showed how people like Tom Cruise and John Travolta had donated a shedload of money to them. I think they lost their tax exempt status but then managed to regain it after a long legal battle. Scary programme

 

[Triggaaar]

thanks everyone - i agree - she is feeling like she has lost her son - wants to be both supportive but also shout at him and make him realise what the cult is all about.

I don't think she should be doing this alone. I don't know if friends or family would be best to help, but surely she should get someone else that he likes to help.

 

[gregbrighton]

HBO did a very good documentary in the States about Scientology called "Going Clear" - not sure if it's been shown in the UK - but it ripped them apart and showed how people like Tom Cruise and John Travolta had donated a shedload of money to them. I think they lost their tax exempt status but then managed to regain it after a long legal battle. Scary programme

It's a scary organisation with vicious elements within it. It deliberately demonises psychiatry so it can prey on vulnerable mentally unstable people.

 

[Juan Albion]

This is the same lot:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ve-health-centre-accused-of-brainwashing.html.

Have they contacted the Family Survival Trust? Could be worth a try:

http://www.familysurvivaltrust.org/info.php?page=what_cults_are

http://www.familysurvivaltrust.org/info.php?page=how_we_operate

Is the correct answer.

Don't try and do this alone. Don't rely simply on logic, these cults develop 'arguments' against logic as they know that's what they are up against.

 

[Nibble]

They'll kick him out once he has no more money. Unless they keep him for breeding/bumming.

 

[Justice]

A fool and his money are easily parted.

 

[Eastleigh Seagull]

what i find slightly odd is that it looks like the police/government have no special unit to look into these kind of organisations - it looks fairly clear to be that they are fraudulent so they must be breaking some kind of law yet there are so many of them around.

 

[Nibble]

Fraud is one thing. But I suppose, like the biggest cult of all, The Christian Church if people wish to join up, spaff all their money in "Tithes" and lose all sense of reality and succumb to the whims and foibles of something "Greater" than themselves then that's their own daft fault.

 

[Juan Albion]

Fraud is one thing. But I suppose, like the biggest cult of all, The Christian Church if people wish to join up, spaff all their money in "Tithes" and lose all sense of reality and succumb to the whims and foibles of something "Greater" than themselves then that's their own daft fault.

People are welcome in the church whether they give any money or not. And when people do give money, it usually goes to one of three places: 1) given away to those in need, 2) maintaining THEIR building and 3) paying a low wage to their staff. Sorry if any of those give you a problem. There are exceptions, of course, but only a bigot would concentrate on them rather than the norm.

 

[John Bumlick]

leave 'em alone. they are just trying to take money from the gullible. given the amount of effort i put in at work, i'm pretty much doing the same...

 

[John Bumlick]

2) maintaining THEIR building

 

[Cheshire Cat]

HBO did a very good documentary in the States about Scientology called "Going Clear" - not sure if it's been shown in the UK - but it ripped them apart and showed how people like Tom Cruise and John Travolta had donated a shedload of money to them. I think they lost their tax exempt status but then managed to regain it after a long legal battle. Scary programme

I don't think it can be shown over here because of the threat of the UK libel laws and the costs involved in defending any case. There was something about it in Private Eye some months back.

 

[John Bumlick]

I don't think it can be shown over here because of the threat of the UK libel laws and the costs involved in defending any case. There was something about it in Private Eye some months back.

got a limited release in cinemas and sky are showing it in september (thanks, wikipedia).

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:ecfc7e0afd2b8187de5603131b13e788ff891205&dn=Going.Clear.Scientology.and.the.Prison.of.Belief.2015.1080p.HDTV&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969

 

[StonehamPark]

HBO did a very good documentary in the States about Scientology called "Going Clear" - not sure if it's been shown in the UK - but it ripped them apart and showed how people like Tom Cruise and John Travolta had donated a shedload of money to them. I think they lost their tax exempt status but then managed to regain it after a long legal battle. Scary programme

Good shout, going to watch this now.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Is this the thread with tips for Palace fans?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

good point on the name - its the Qi Wellness Centre not Xi

Their website is full of complete claptrap - and the prices they charge for whatever they do are astronomic.

Run away....

 

[Stumpy Tim]

I don't think it can be shown over here because of the threat of the UK libel laws and the costs involved in defending any case. There was something about it in Private Eye some months back.

I watched it at The Komedia cinema a month or so ago. Quality film

 

[Nibble]

People are welcome in the church whether they give any money or not. And when people do give money, it usually goes to one of three places: 1) given away to those in need, 2) maintaining THEIR building and 3) paying a low wage to their staff. Sorry if any of those give you a problem. There are exceptions, of course, but only a bigot would concentrate on them rather than the norm.

Awww, that's a lovely little Vicar of Dibley scen you've painted there. I believe it to be misguided but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince any religious person I'm right. There's a reason they call it blind faith.

 

[One Love]

They'll kick him out once he has no more money. Unless they keep him for breeding/bumming.

This thread is about a mother's concerns for her son who is in a bad place and is looking for help and you come out with this!!

 

[Tarpon]

People are welcome in the church whether they give any money or not. And when people do give money, it usually goes to one of three places: 1) given away to those in need, 2) maintaining THEIR building and 3) paying a low wage to their staff. Sorry if any of those give you a problem. There are exceptions, of course, but only a bigot would concentrate on them rather than the norm.

Jesus wept. If you seriously believe all religious monies are thus spent you need a serious reality and history check (I won't even bother with the science bit). Any right minded person would disown organised religion in an instant or persist with it on the understanding that although it is an essentially a corrupt, self serving institution it provides comfort and a rationale for stopping all independent thought.

I may have had a tipple to tonight (!) but am very confident I'll stand by these words and that the universe is entitely indifferent to this and everything. In short there is no god. Sorry.