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Croatia was just revenge, Capello clueless.



Mellotron

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Jul 2, 2008
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You are worse than the worst tabloid journalist, every single manager England have, you complain about and want out virtually immediately. You shouted from the rooftops to get Eriksson out, it was on your message avatar. He went like you wanted, did that make us any better? At least we qualified for tournaments under him, unlike the bloke whom followed him!

Now Cappello wins his first meaningful game 4-1 away from home, blows the group wide open and still you complain! With 3 goals from a player whom didn't play in the earlier game, so much for player revenge, how about given Capello praise for choosing Walcott over other safer (Beckham) options!

Reality check for you, England whomever are in charge are not very good because our players are not as good as they are made out to be......give Cappelo a break he got us a great result I think he deserves a little more of a chance than you gave Eriksson, he might actually be good you know!


Spot on. So so so SO fed up of the ridiculously dumb attitude of most England fans.
 




Marshy

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Jul 6, 2003
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If only it wasnt 4.35 on a friday afternoon and i wasnt going home i would respond.

The point was only raised about Gerrard and Lampard in the middle of the Park playing together.
It dosent work so why should we do it it...just because " its only Khazikastan" !

Clueless....

I was more than happy and praised Capello to the hilt after the Croatia result....just asking the question .....IF he plays Gerrard and Lampard central he is clueless....
 


simmo

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Feb 8, 2008
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If only it wasnt 4.35 on a friday afternoon and i wasnt going home i would respond.

The point was only raised about Gerrard and Lampard in the middle of the Park playing together.
It dosent work so why should we do it it...just because " its only Khazikastan" !

Clueless....

I was more than happy and praised Capello to the hilt after the Croatia result....just asking the question .....IF he plays Gerrard and Lampard central he is clueless....

Why is he Clueless???

Do you think you could get a 1-4 win in Croatia. That's good enough for me!
 


simmo

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Feb 8, 2008
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If only it wasnt 4.35 on a friday afternoon and i wasnt going home i would respond.

The point was only raised about Gerrard and Lampard in the middle of the Park playing together.
It dosent work so why should we do it it...just because " its only Khazikastan" !

Clueless....

I was more than happy and praised Capello to the hilt after the Croatia result....just asking the question .....IF he plays Gerrard and Lampard central he is clueless....

You screamed for Eriksson to go. With Eriksson going did that make us better or worse?
 






Marshy

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Why is he Clueless???

Do you think you could get a 1-4 win in Croatia. That's good enough for me!


so your happy with Gerrard and Lampard as a central pairing....IF he does it ?

My point is why is he even considering it after the Croatia performance ?

Regardless of the opposition, the shape of the side looked right for the first time in ages and your happy to jack that in just because its " Only Khazakstan "
 




Marshy

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You screamed for Eriksson to go. With Eriksson going did that make us better or worse?

Your right i screamed for Erriksson to go. He had so many failings i dont know where to start.

I have big hopes for Capello. But any England manager that Reverts to a central pairing og Gerrard and Lampard will always be " Clueless " as it simply dosent work.

I truly Hope Capello dosent do it, but the fact he hasnt dismissed it concerns me a great deal, against whatever the opposition.
 




Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
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Brighton
so your happy with Gerrard and Lampard as a central pairing....IF he does it ?

My point is why is he even considering it after the Croatia performance ?

Regardless of the opposition, the shape of the side looked right for the first time in ages and your happy to jack that in just because its " Only Khazakstan "

I believe Capello is right to TRY and see if he can get them playing together (by that I mean Gerrard actually being bossed around for the first time in his career). If Gerrard can't handle being positionally disciplined Capello WILL drop him. That is that.
 


so your happy with Gerrard and Lampard as a central pairing....IF he does it ?

My point is why is he even considering it after the Croatia performance ?

Regardless of the opposition, the shape of the side looked right for the first time in ages and your happy to jack that in just because its " Only Khazakstan "

This whole "they cannot play together" thing is rubbish that people seem to love to repeat as a mantra. Two best men in their positions, both taking more than their responsibility and excelling every week for their teams, and both available.

Play them side by side by all means Mr Cappello.
 


Marshy

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I believe Capello is right to TRY and see if he can get them playing together (by that I mean Gerrard actually being bossed around for the first time in his career). If Gerrard can't handle being positionally disciplined Capello WILL drop him. That is that.

Now i know you are clueless too....
 




Marshy

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This whole "they cannot play together" thing is rubbish that people seem to love to repeat as a mantra. Two best men in their positions, both taking more than their responsibility and excelling every week for their teams, and both available.

Play them side by side by all means Mr Cappello.


And you too....
 


simmo

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Feb 8, 2008
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so your happy with Gerrard and Lampard as a central pairing....IF he does it ?

My point is why is he even considering it after the Croatia performance ?

Regardless of the opposition, the shape of the side looked right for the first time in ages and your happy to jack that in just because its " Only Khazakstan "


Do you think many people were considering Heskey to be the answer or even Walcott before Capello. He has got something good out of both of them. McClaren couldn't.

Who is to say that Capello cannot get Lampard and Gerrard playing well together, both are QUALITY players. Jose Mourinho desperately wanted Gerrard, he believed he could get Gerrard and Lampard playing together, why can't Cappello, unlike McClaren?

You screamed for Eriksson to go. With Eriksson gone did England go forward or backwards? Answer the question, truthfully. Now you are slagging of Capello before you even know that he is going to play Gerrard and Lampard, he doesn't have to name his team until 50 minutes before kick off. What is the matter with you? Whom do you want to manage the England team, God?
 


Chesney Christ

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Sep 3, 2003
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Marshy is usually a good poster but saying that the 4-1 win against Croatia was purely about "player revenge" is stupidity beyond belief. It is a bollocks anyway because if that was the case why didn't we avenge the 2-0 defeat in Zagreb in 2006 by beating them at Wembley last year. Utter nonsense. We won 4-1 through patience and intelligent play.
 




simmo

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Feb 8, 2008
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Your right i screamed for Erriksson to go. He had so many failings i dont know where to start.

I have big hopes for Capello. But any England manager that Reverts to a central pairing og Gerrard and Lampard will always be " Clueless " as it simply dosent work.

I truly Hope Capello dosent do it, but the fact he hasnt dismissed it concerns me a great deal, against whatever the opposition.

Well at least Eriksson didn't FAIL to qualify us for major tournaments unlike his replacement.

And at least got us to quarter finals, which is probably as GOOD as our players really are and are NOT world beaters like our press make them out to be.
 




Chesney Christ

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Ericsson had to go. So did McClaren - but McClown being so horrendously and obviously WRONG, still does not make Swain Boring Irksome any better.

Spot on. Overall, I thought Sven did alright with England but by the end of his tenure we were utterly unwatchable. Anyone who thinks he shouldn't have gone should be forced to sit through all five of our "performances" in the 2006 World Cup and then try and convince me we were playing well...
 


simmo

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Eh? Thats revisionist nonsense. I was very glad to see Erikksson go, and just because we got worse under McClaren didn't mean it was wrong to sack Erikksson. It was merely wrong to EMPLOY McClaren.


Not at all. Just because you want someone to go does not mean to say that the replacement is going to be whom you think or want it to be. It's all very well you saying I want Martin O'Neill for example, the FA may not.

It is the choice of others (the FA) not your own, if you or the English press scream for someone to go, you may well end up with someone much much worse, which is what happened and happens so often.

Eriksson actually did a good job, he got us to quarter finals of major tournaments, that is how good our players really are. He got us to where we should be. We got knocked out by Brazil in World Cup 02 in the quarter finals 2-1, and got through to the Euro 04 and World Cup 06 quarters and lost on pens. Not dumped by Croatia at home 3-2 (and 2-0 away) in the qualifiers.
 




simmo

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Spot on. Overall, I thought Sven did alright with England but by the end of his tenure we were utterly unwatchable. Anyone who thinks he shouldn't have gone should be forced to sit through all five of our "performances" in the 2006 World Cup and then try and convince me we were playing well...


Agree about 2006 but if you remember Eriksson was told he was leaving after that tournament, I am sure that can't have been too motivating for him, however, that is not an excuse.

The best football we have actually played in recent years in any tournament and I can go back to World Cup 82, was in Euro 2004. We were really good and I do really believe that if Rooney hadn't got injured we may have won it.

We played France off the park but lost 2-1 when they scored both goals in injury time, Beckham also missed a penalty to take us to 2-0 with about 15 to go.

We beat Switzerland 3-0.

We beat Croatia 4-2, that is one of the best games I have seen England play ever, we went 1-0 down after 5 minutes, then we were just awesome and blew them away.

If the ref wasn't going for home team Portugal (disallowing Campbells? goal), we could/should have won that quarter. Wasn't that disallowed in virtually the last minute of full/extra time.
 


Garry Nelson's Left Foot

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Jul 7, 2003
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The point was only raised about Gerrard and Lampard in the middle of the Park playing together.
It dosent work so why should we do it it...just because " its only Khazikastan" !

Clueless....

I was more than happy and praised Capello to the hilt after the Croatia result....just asking the question .....IF he plays Gerrard and Lampard central he is clueless....

Is he not playing three in the middle? Barry sitting back with gerrard and lampard given the license to go forward? Three up top-Heskey, rooney, Walcott? Seems a very attacking and positive formation to me. I don't think Gerrard and Lampard have ever played together in a three man midfield before. We know that the two of them alone don't work so well , but they've both played well when paired with a holding midfielder. Let's see how they do before you start calling Capello-a man who has won major trophies wherever he's been-clueless.
 


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