Shropshire Seagull
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Crickey, just how short sighted are you?
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[Drinking] Cows milk
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Crickey, just how short sighted are you?
Hotchilidog
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Who else do you think cows milk is for?
FatSuperman
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I understand that there are exceptions, and by no means do all male calves get shot. Lots of them go for beef, which frankly is probably better than being a female cow.
There are around 2 million calves born in the UK each year. Let's say half are male. Of these, there is about a 50/50 split between pure dairy breeds and beef/dairy mixed breeds. Around half of the pure dairy breeds will be reared for beef, low quality stuff but at least they get to live in a shithole for a year before they are slaughtered. The survival rates aren't that high because there isn't a lot of financial incentive to keep them well looked after. Still, they're only cows.
If you break it down, there are around 125,000 bull calves shot almost immediately upon birth each year. I suppose it's not a massive number to many of us, but I find the whole thing shocking. The dairy industry is the worst of them all. It's disgusting.
I was a massive milk drinker and despite everything I have watched and read, it doesn't stop me missing milk. I don't 'feel sick' looking at milk or watching other people drink it. I don't judge other people because it's all too easy to not know about these things or not think about it. But because I do know and have seen it, I try to keep it in mind when I;m annoyed that I can't have a bowl of Shreddies at two AM.
FatSuperman
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Fully agree with your whole post. The other evidence for me is that we are not cows
You don't see people harping on about the benefits of rat milk, or dog milk. But it's no different - it's just another mammal that isn't a human. Why don't we milk chimps?Imagine the fury in this country if someone started up a dolphin farm and kept them constantly impregnated to produce tasty fish milk. Slaughtering the young males as there wasn't a market for their flesh? I bet there would be total outrage, without a single shred of irony. It's amazing how disgusted people are when the subject of the Japanese whaling or dolphin cull is discussed. Yet that practice goes on here in immense numbers every day, just with a different mammal.
Cows and Blue Whales have very similar brain to mass ratios and are reckoned to have similar intelligence levels.
The British dairy industry spends well over £100m a year on advertising, which probably helps reinforce the positive message.
I love milk, thank you. Drink semi-skimmed now on medical advice, but I do remember how wonderful farm fresh milk tasted when I worked on a farm in the school holidays when I was a lad. No intention of giving it up, and impervious to any arguments telling me I should feel bad about it. I don't!
FatSuperman
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That's fair enough really, it's entirely your decision what you do and whether you feel bad about it or not. I can't say I blame you, I drank it for the vast majority of my life so far and loved it, didn't ever feel bad about it.
This is always a laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN7EYMhMyu0
"Would you drink that madness"
I understand that there are exceptions, and by no means do all male calves get shot. Lots of them go for beef, which frankly is probably better than being a female cow.
There are around 2 million calves born in the UK each year. Let's say half are male. Of these, there is about a 50/50 split between pure dairy breeds and beef/dairy mixed breeds. Around half of the pure dairy breeds will be reared for beef, low quality stuff but at least they get to live in a shithole for a year before they are slaughtered. The survival rates aren't that high because there isn't a lot of financial incentive to keep them well looked after. Still, they're only cows.
If you break it down, there are around 125,000 bull calves shot almost immediately upon birth each year. I suppose it's not a massive number to many of us, but I find the whole thing shocking. The dairy industry is the worst of them all. It's disgusting.
I was a massive milk drinker and despite everything I have watched and read, it doesn't stop me missing milk. I don't 'feel sick' looking at milk or watching other people drink it. I don't judge other people because it's all too easy to not know about these things or not think about it. But because I do know and have seen it, I try to keep it in mind when I;m annoyed that I can't have a bowl of Shreddies at two AM.
Top of the food chain!
Raleigh Chopper
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Just around the corner from my house is a dairy originating from late Victorian/early Edwardian times. It is the ground floor of a house but the shop and dairy is still in its original condition with glazed green tiles and the name above the window in gold leaf, out the back is the dairy with the doors where they would have loaded the huge churn onto the horse and cart for delivery to the local houses. It is not used for anything but I love looking at it everyday, I have not seen another one anywhere.
I know this has got F all to do with anything but I thought I would mention it.
Cheeky Monkey
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- Jul 17, 2003
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One problem with a lot of milk alternatives is that many of them contain crap like stabilisers, sweeteners etc. Oatly and Rude Health are two that I'm fairly sure don't, not sure about any others.
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One is always best returning to the nearest natural source. Butter, cows milk, whole grains. Far better for you than any of these fancy fad alternatives.
Cheeky Monkey
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Top of the food chain!
Yes I'm sure if we put you in a room with a lion or a bear, or in a pool with a great white or a crocodile you'd come out top of the food chain. #GoodTimes
Back in the world we currently live in............
Cheeky Monkey
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How many people are killed each year by cats, bears, sharks and crocodiles combined? Now tot up the reverse numbers. The human race is currently at the apex of the food chain whether you like it or not.
By the way, more people are killed here every year by horses, than by crocs, snakes, spiders and sharks combined.
Shropshire Seagull
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If you pop down the supermarket [with your glasses on] you'll see racks of the stuff being bought by humans ....
I've also heard many cats are partial to a saucer of cow's milk too.
Couldn't say with absolute certainty but I reckon the new-born's at e.g. zoos [and lambs on farms] that are rejected by their mothers are hand-reared on bottled cow's milk too.
Or have I caught your hook?
Two Professors
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I am in a group of Caucasians from Europe who are 'lactase persistent' and happily tolerate,and enjoy,cows milk.Apparently we are a minority grouping of about 25% of the human population,according to the latest research.
They’re not getting any. When I worked on a dairy farm all the calves were fed powdered milk.
Cheeky Monkey
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They may be 'partial to it,' but you shouldn't give cow's milk to cats, especially not adult cats. You should only ever give them a bowl of water, as per dogs.
Most cats are lactose intolerant. This means that they don't have the enzymes needed to digest the lactose in milk. Lactose is a type of sugar found in milk. When cats drink cow's milk, they can end up with painful stomach cramps and diarrhea.