Court case involving Albion players - the (new) only thread allowed - ALL found NOT GUILTY

[Cosmic Joker]

How is the quantifiable? How would they come to the conclusion, who did they ask?

I assume that's based on the annual British Crime Survey, where a sample of people are asked if they have ever or in the last year been victims of various types of crimes and also if they reported these alleged crimes to the Police at the time.

 

[AZ Gull]

Apart from the difference between failing to have an allegation proven and being proved - rather than suspected - of having lied - as opposed to being mistaken - about what happened

What??

 

[HAILSHAM SEAGULL]

I doubt it, she couldn't remember anything!!

Why should that stop her...... she fooled the CPS easily with bullshit

 

[empire]

are we allowed to say who the lady in question is now?if we knew

 

[Boys 9d]

Why should that stop her...... she fooled the CPS easily with bullshit

I believe to do so would be contempt of court.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

are we allowed to say who the lady in question is now?if we knew

No.

She'll have anonymity under the law for life.

 

[Springal]

Court case involving Albion players - the (new) only thread allowed - ALL found

are we allowed to say who the lady in question is now?if we knew

Nope anonymity for life!

I'm still surprised this made it to 1 trial, let alone 2. So little evidence and so many holes on her own story.

 

[Acker79]

What this stupid women doesn't realise is her bigoted view causes more damage to women than anything in this case other than perhaps the lies the girl told.

a) The girl might not have told lies. Once again, being found not guilty doesn't automatically mean the alleged victim lied.
b) How is she doing more damage? I would agree her comments seem to imply a belief that the boys just found not guilty in a court of law got away with it, and that is probably inappropriate, but how is she doing more damage?

 

[Billy the Fish]

a) The girl might not have told lies. Once again, being found not guilty doesn't automatically mean the alleged victim lied.
b) How is she doing more damage? I would agree her comments seem to imply a belief that the boys just found not guilty in a court of law got away with it, and that is probably inappropriate, but how is she doing more damage?

Agree ^^

I don't get how people are viewing this in such a black and white manner, it isn't that kind of case. It's not like she just made the whole thing up out of thin air.

That something untoward happened is not in dispute, it was in a couple of their statements that they exposed themselves and took photos. The argument was whether it constituted a sexual assualt. She didn't lie as such, just made more of it than she probably should have.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

No.

She'll have anonymity under the law for life.

Or until someone tweets it.

 

[cloud]

but how is she doing more damage?

By potentially setting a legal precedent

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

a) The girl might not have told lies. Once again, being found not guilty doesn't automatically mean the alleged victim lied.
b) How is she doing more damage? I would agree her comments seem to imply a belief that the boys just found not guilty in a court of law got away with it, and that is probably inappropriate, but how is she doing more damage?

The woman admitted an assortment of lies, including:

Missing work earlier that day and ringing in to say her father had been involved in a traffic accident.
Missing work the next day and saying she had been assaulted in the street by three men named Jack, Ben and Sam.
Producing a black dress instead of the pink dress that she had been wearing.
Missing work a month later because she was at Gay Pride celebrations and telling her bosses she had been drugged.

So perhaps not aspects of this case as such but it was proved she is unreliable.

The lady is doing more damage by failing to accept that after two trails, the evidence shown, the men and ladies of the jury decided they were not guilty of the charges brought. Making the statement she made, does in no way support what is the basis of our whole legal system. She has made an assessment of the facts which were unanimously found that the accused, all of them, not guilty but chose not to question the facts or evidence, but instead supported the alleged victim regardless. That really is not helpful to those that have suffered sexual assaults. This lady discredits her cause and that of her centre. Just because a women screams rape doesn't mean it happened, however it's evident to her it does, god help us if people like her get any real power.

 

[Acker79]

The lady is doing more damage by failing to accept that after two trails, the evidence shown, the men and ladies of the jury decided they were not guilty of the charges brought. Making the statement she made, does in no way support what is the basis of our whole legal system. She has made an assessment of the facts which were unanimously found that the accused, all of them, not guilty but chose not to question the facts or evidence, but instead supported the alleged victim regardless. That really is not helpful to those that have suffered sexual assaults. This lady discredits her cause and that of her centre. Just because a women screams rape doesn't mean it happened, however it's evident to her it does, god help us if people like her get any real power.

This women has no power and very little influence, so her comments are not going to change anything in law. What they will do is give all genuine victims someone to turn to, someone who will absolutely believe them and support them, even when everyone else in their lives are doubting them. That is very important, even if it means one or two people who lie get false sympathy from her. She doesn't decide which cases the police investigate, or the cps prosecute, or which juries convict.

 

[Acker79]

By potentially setting a legal precedent

How can she do that?

 

[Northstandite]

Agree ^^

I don't get how people are viewing this in such a black and white manner, it isn't that kind of case. It's not like she just made the whole thing up out of thin air.

That something untoward happened is not in dispute, it was in a couple of their statements that they exposed themselves and took photos. The argument was whether it constituted a sexual assualt. She didn't lie as such, just made more of it than she probably should have.

Well said.

Those charging in to slag the alleged victim off, are way of the mark.

There was more than enough in this case, for the Police, CPS and Judges to deem that there was a case to answer.

Now the players have been found not guilty, there names are clear, and everyone can move on.

Hopefully, a lesson learned by these young men, and I'm sure that they will now appreciate their lucky careers all the more.

 

[Triggaaar]

are we allowed to say who the lady in question is now?if we knew

I have no idea who she is, but I still reckon I could pick her out in a crowd of 10,000.

a) The girl might not have told lies.

Yes she did, lots of them.

I don't get how people are viewing this in such a black and white manner, it isn't that kind of case. It's not like she just made the whole thing up out of thin air.

Because to some of us, it seems quite black and white. You say she didn't make the whole thing up - I disagree. She made up that she wasn't drunk, she made up that she was drugged, just like she made up that she was drugged on another occasion when she skived off work, and she made up that she knew she didn't get into bed & kiss 2 of the defendants (because she also said she didn't remember anything) and she made up what state of dress she was in when she went to sleep, alleging that the men had undressed her (because again, how would she know if she didn't remember anything).

That something untoward happened is not in dispute, it was in a couple of their statements that they exposed themselves and took photos. The argument was whether it constituted a sexual assualt. She didn't lie as such, just made more of it than she probably should have.

She said they were all w@nking over her, which is completely untrue. The most untoward thing that happened, is the story she told that has damaged the reputation of some innocent people.

 

[bravohotelalpha]

I have no idea who she is, but I still reckon I could pick her out in a crowd of 10,000.

Yes she did, lots of them.

Because to some of us, it seems quite black and white. You say she didn't make the whole thing up - I disagree. She made up that she wasn't drunk, she made up that she was drugged, just like she made up that she was drugged on another occasion when she skived off work, and she made up that she knew she didn't get into bed & kiss 2 of the defendants (because she also said she didn't remember anything) and she made up what state of dress she was in when she went to sleep, alleging that the men had undressed her (because again, how would she know if she didn't remember anything).

She said they were all w@nking over her, which is completely untrue. The most untoward thing that happened, is the story she told that has damaged the reputation of some innocent people.

and has developed and publicised her own reputation ...

 

[TheMajor]

In light of the Sally Bercow ruling I wonder if any of the Albion four will be legally pursuing those who referred to them as "rapists" on the internet?

 

[Acker79]

I have no idea who she is, but I still reckon I could pick her out in a crowd of 10,000.

Yes she did, lots of them.

Because to some of us, it seems quite black and white. You say she didn't make the whole thing up - I disagree. She made up that she wasn't drunk, she made up that she was drugged, just like she made up that she was drugged on another occasion when she skived off work, and she made up that she knew she didn't get into bed & kiss 2 of the defendants (because she also said she didn't remember anything) and she made up what state of dress she was in when she went to sleep, alleging that the men had undressed her (because again, how would she know if she didn't remember anything).

She said they were all w@nking over her, which is completely untrue. The most untoward thing that happened, is the story she told that has damaged the reputation of some innocent people.

Ok, she told some lies, but what I mean is, and I'm sure you understand, that she may not have lied about everything, that she may have had good reason to believe they did things, and made the claims in good faith. That just because the guys were found not guilty doesn't mean she made everything up, which is how she is being treated.

 

[Flavor Flav]

Good. Anyone that openly admits to throwing themselves over footballers doesn't deserve any credibility.