[Football] Could long term player contracts become the norm?

[Kalimantan Gull]

An 8-year contract at £10m a year is huge, and a player would simply have to consider whether they think they'll be able to get a significant pay increase within a few years if they instead went for a 4-year contract. I think there is quite a bit of jeopardy there, and anyone who isn't Messi / Ronaldo would be thinking 'I'll take the 8-years thank you'. And frankly, if they do turn out to be the next Messi, then some giga club will buy them for £350m and pay them the crazy money anyway.

£10m a year might seem huge, but in 8 years it may be fairly standard. Flip it around and Cheksea might be getting these players fairly cheap in the long run.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

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[Doingitforthekids]

£10m a year might seem huge, but in 8 years it may be fairly standard. Flip it around and Cheksea might be getting these players fairly cheap in the long run.

The question is partly linked to the level of player power going forward.

We've seen some players miss out on potentially career bettering moves because they still have 3 years to run on their contract and their Chairman/club holding the cards in the negotiations.

It is only when said player had 1 year left on his contract were they able to engineer a move to a consistent championship winning team.

However, if either the player power starts to increase so that they begin holding out / not performing or an external outside entity is willing to pay obscene money and outbid any other team then longer contracts may become the norm.

It will also be interesting to see how these contracts are 'revisited' if the player continues to outperform then and then demands additional money as a pay increase as the market moves past them.

 

[Weststander]

No.

For two reasons:
1. Clubs would be caught with expensive dead weights such as Pogba, Ozil for years more, screwing their future plans.
2. Boehly did this primarily to beat FFP. UEFA then eliminated that advantage. The PL haven’t yet, hopefully they’ll act too.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Chelsea are risking a fair amount, how many of the players they have signed are proven and not potential?

 

[trueblue]

And yet I've seen reports of £250k pw for Caicedo.
Admittedly that is probably bolleaux.

You'd have to wonder why they'd need to pay him that much. A lot less would have wiped the floor with his Albion contract, for sure.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes and it's a huge gamble. If you take a young player with lightning speed put him on a long term huge contract and he's dogged with a series of injuries.. You end up with a player who never achieves their potential but you can't move them on without paying a huge payout.

They can't be loaned out either as there's a limit on that now. The club could end up a load of non playing players. Sounds a great idea for the likes of Chelsea. Glad to see it turn to shit.

Or turns out to be shite.

Look at Harry Maguire for example....he is not longer wanted at Man U yet he is holding off moving to West Ham until he gets suffiecient compensation for Man U wanting to end his contract.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Or turns out to be shite.

Look at Harry Maguire for example....he is not longer wanted at Man U yet he is holding off moving to West Ham until he gets suffiecient compensation for Man U wanting to end his contract.

You're out of date. He's staying at Utd non-playing taking the money. Apparently never an agreement with W Ham

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Don’t agents only get paid via transfers? It might be millions but just once or twice in a player’s career?

 

[albionalex]

£10m a year might seem huge, but in 8 years it may be fairly standard. Flip it around and Cheksea might be getting these players fairly cheap in the long run.

This is what happens in the NFL.

Player signs a massive new long-term contract. Two years later the salary cap has gone up and the other top players at his position are earning much more.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

The question is partly linked to the level of player power going forward.

We've seen some players miss out on potentially career bettering moves because they still have 3 years to run on their contract and their Chairman/club holding the cards in the negotiations.

It is only when said player had 1 year left on his contract were they able to engineer a move to a consistent championship winning team.

However, if either the player power starts to increase so that they begin holding out / not performing or an external outside entity is willing to pay obscene money and outbid any other team then longer contracts may become the norm.

It will also be interesting to see how these contracts are 'revisited' if the player continues to outperform then and then demands additional money as a pay increase as the market moves past them.

Yep, also good points

I also think the question of a player potentially being shit, injured or going on strike - could happen sure, but likely outweighed by other players exceeding their value either in transfers or playing ability, and not being lost on a free as you say

 

[Mr Smggles]

You'd have to wonder why they'd need to pay him that much. A lot less would have wiped the floor with his Albion contract, for sure.

Because in 2 years time he’ll be one of the best midfielders in the world?

 

[BNthree]

Don’t agents only get paid via transfers? It might be millions but just once or twice in a player’s career?

No they get an ongoing percentage of the player's wages I thought. Or at least some do.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I think we should offer longer contracts if we can.

Yes if the player is a dud, Locadia style, you'll lose money. (simple maths, paying a £50pw dud for 4 years is 10.4m)

But if the player turns out to be a world beater, but is running out of contract, you'll likely lose out on a lot more than 10.4m in the fee you'll get for him.

In addition to this, it's actually not that common that you get someone you literally cannot shift and is happy to sit in the reserves for years picking up a salary. Normally you can sell him at a loss or at least loan him somewhere they will pick up some of the salary.

That said, I think players wouldn't agree to 9 year contracts with a stepping stone club like us. They would only do that for a destination club.

 

[RexCathedra]

This is what happens in the NFL.

Player signs a massive new long-term contract. Two years later the salary cap has gone up and the other top players at his position are earning much more.

Tom Brady was never the highest-paid quarterback in the league, because of this kind of salary creep.

 

[Doingitforthekids]

Tom Brady was never the highest-paid quarterback in the league, because of this kind of salary creep.

Brady notoriously gave a hometown discount. I've never seen a 'proper' footballer give a hometown discount.

Point is still valid when you see Mahomes/Allen get dwarfed a year later bu a good but not great QB

 

[Stat Brother]

There's now a new wrinkle in the contract debate, naturally it comes from America but you can be sure Chelsea are all over it, and it kind of feels like something that would interest Mr Bloom.

The Japanese batting and pitching baseball sensation Shohei Ohtani has just signed a new 10 year, $700m deal.

The wrinkle being Ohtani is deferring all but $2m of his $70m annual contract for the full 10 years. (2023 to 2033)
Then he will be paid $68m a year for the following 10 years (2033 to 2043).

The player gets a 20 year wage from a 10 year contract.
The club gets 10 years to make/invest/plan for the massive contract.

As we know Ohtani being Japanese not only brings a nation of tat buying fans but also a nation of sponsorship buying companies.

 

[Baldseagull]

There's now a new wrinkle in the contract debate, naturally it comes from America but you can be sure Chelsea are all over it, and it kind of feels like something that would interest Mr Bloom.

The Japanese batting and pitching baseball sensation Shohei Ohtani has just signed a new 10 year, $700m deal.

The wrinkle being Ohtani is deferring all but $2m of his $70m annual contract for the full 10 years. (2023 to 2033)
Then he will be paid $68m a year for the following 10 years (2033 to 2043).

The player gets a 20 year wage from a 10 year contract.
The club gets 10 years to make/invest/plan for the massive contract.

As we know Ohtani being Japanese not only brings a nation of tat buying fans but also a nation of sponsorship buying companies.

Or the club goes into administration the year the first whack of $68M is due and restarts as CPFC2033, or some other shit name. Don't know how the US tax system works, but could work around him having to pay so much, if he was not resident in the US for the second 10 year period, could possibly reside in whatever tax haven he chooses and pay eff all.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

There's now a new wrinkle in the contract debate, naturally it comes from America but you can be sure Chelsea are all over it, and it kind of feels like something that would interest Mr Bloom.

The Japanese batting and pitching baseball sensation Shohei Ohtani has just signed a new 10 year, $700m deal.

The wrinkle being Ohtani is deferring all but $2m of his $70m annual contract for the full 10 years. (2023 to 2033)
Then he will be paid $68m a year for the following 10 years (2033 to 2043).

The player gets a 20 year wage from a 10 year contract.
The club gets 10 years to make/invest/plan for the massive contract.

As we know Ohtani being Japanese not only brings a nation of tat buying fans but also a nation of sponsorship buying companies.

But didn't he only agree to that setup because he gets about $50m a year in sponsorships and endorsements? But sure many soccerers are going to command that kind of power.

 

[Stat Brother]

But didn't he only agree to that setup because he gets about $50m a year in sponsorships and endorsements? But sure many soccerers are going to command that kind of power.

I didn't want to write he doesn't actually need the £70m a year!

It's such a odd contract and to my knowledge the first of its kind.
The sort of thing that you know is being studied across all big money sport.