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[Politics] Cost of Living Crisis



Machiavelli

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So long as property prices keep rising then the UK is fine, though?

Even those have stalled now and, with further (0.5%?) interest rate rises to come, they're not shooting up in a hurry again. Although, with an election on the horizon, you can't rule out our next PM trying to stimulate the housing market somehow.
 




beorhthelm

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Our shopping bill is up 20% and with gas and petrol increases I’m not sure how inflation is only 10%.

inflation numbers measure an average, not your shopping. its a blend of various goods and services and if you dont buy to the same weighting, you wont see the same change.
 


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This will primarily affect the buyers of new properties. Buying a new house is a bit like buying a new car as it will experience an initial depreciation as soon as you put the key in the door. This, in the main. is due to having to meet developers prices without the ability to make a lesser offer. Developer prices are based on costs plus an expected profit margin, so all the increased labour and materials costs, due to Brexit, Covid, Ukraine etc are passed on to the buyer. It'll be interesting to see if buyers continue to accept the advertised prices or whether developers will be forced to reduce their margins.
 
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nicko31

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Don't panic. The benefits of Brexit will save us.....

If all else fails, go and live in one of the Tories planned chartered cities to escape. It will all be milk and honey and away from those pesky laws and regulations

Disaster capitalism is in town alright
 




Randy McNob

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How come no one is saying CEO pay is causing inflation and we can't afford pay rises for NHS, rail and key workers because it will cause inflation?

People at the top have had pay increaes of 16% - people who are insulated from inflation rises and cost of living crisis

 


Machiavelli

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How come no one is saying CEO pay is causing inflation and we can't afford pay rises for NHS, rail and key workers because it will cause inflation?

People at the top have had pay increaes of 16% - people who are insulated from inflation rises and cost of living crisis

I'd wager the explanation is too many within the electorate think that this is the way of things and don't think anything can be done about it.
 


dsr-burnley

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How come no one is saying CEO pay is causing inflation and we can't afford pay rises for NHS, rail and key workers because it will cause inflation?

People at the top have had pay increaes of 16% - people who are insulated from inflation rises and cost of living crisis

I agree that CEOs and other directors of plcs get paid too much. They aren't accountable and they just dip their fingers (legally) into the till and take out what they want.

However, a pay rise of £500,000 for 100 CEOs is equivalent to a pay rise of £50 each for a million ordinary employees. (Or £5 for 10 million employees.) That's why the effect on inflation is negligible, because there aren't enough stupidly fat cats to make the difference.
 




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How come no one is saying CEO pay is causing inflation and we can't afford pay rises for NHS, rail and key workers because it will cause inflation?

People at the top have had pay increaes of 16% - people who are insulated from inflation rises and cost of living crisis

Because they don’t spend their money here increasing prices, they tax evade it over to nice places and spend it there
 


Springal

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I agree that CEOs and other directors of plcs get paid too much. They aren't accountable and they just dip their fingers (legally) into the till and take out what they want.

However, a pay rise of £500,000 for 100 CEOs is equivalent to a pay rise of £50 each for a million ordinary employees. (Or £5 for 10 million employees.) That's why the effect on inflation is negligible, because there aren't enough stupidly fat cats to make the difference.

Of course they are accountable in plcs - compensation for execs is generally voted for at AGMs or similar. Even more scrutiny with investors etc and the power they hold

I don’t really think a £10M pay for a CEO of a £1.5Bn turnover organisation is outrageous.
 


Randy McNob

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Of course they are accountable in plcs - compensation for execs is generally voted for at AGMs or similar. Even more scrutiny with investors etc and the power they hold

I don’t really think a £10M pay for a CEO of a £1.5Bn turnover organisation is outrageous.
Perhaps only if they hit targets and they could demonstrate their worth in value creation was at least equal to their contribution to the company performance and profit. If a company profits purely because of market conditions it should given as bonuses to front line staff

Why should the workers struggle on low pay, the company profits but the shareholders get the benefit?
 




Nobby Cybergoat

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Perhaps only if they hit targets and they could demonstrate their worth in value creation was at least equal to their contribution to the company performance and profit. If a company profits purely because of market conditions it should given as bonuses to front line staff

Why should the workers struggle on low pay, the company profits but the shareholders get the benefit?
Because they don't unionise and demand anything different?
 




dsr-burnley

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Perhaps only if they hit targets and they could demonstrate their worth in value creation was at least equal to their contribution to the company performance and profit. If a company profits purely because of market conditions it should given as bonuses to front line staff

Why should the workers struggle on low pay, the company profits but the shareholders get the benefit?
Agreed the first paragraph. At the very least, directors shouldn't get share option bonuses unless the company's share price rise exceeds the FTSE.

As for the shareholders, they provide capital. If there were no shareholders, the capital would have to come from a bank which would charge interest rates, which the company couldn't set itself and which it couldn't avoid paying in a bad year. Unlike dividends.
 




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I agree that CEOs and other directors of plcs get paid too much. They aren't accountable and they just dip their fingers (legally) into the till and take out what they want.

However, a pay rise of £500,000 for 100 CEOs is equivalent to a pay rise of £50 each for a million ordinary employees. (Or £5 for 10 million employees.) That's why the effect on inflation is negligible, because there aren't enough stupidly fat cats to make the difference.

You do realise that there are quoting 100 CEOs because it's the FTSE 100, not because there's only 100 of them :facepalm:

And why 10 million employees ? The whole of the FTSE100 only employ approx 4.5 million and a significant number of those are abroad :shrug:

There's all the other directors and highly paid individuals in those companies plus tens of thousands of others. There are currently 300,000 declaring income over £200,000 pa on PAYE alone which I'm sure you are aware is a very small percentage of those actually getting over £200K. You may want to rework those figures of yours and their effect on inflation ???
 
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Springal

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Perhaps only if they hit targets and they could demonstrate their worth in value creation was at least equal to their contribution to the company performance and profit. If a company profits purely because of market conditions it should given as bonuses to front line staff

Why should the workers struggle on low pay, the company profits but the shareholders get the benefit?

Depends on the company. But some of those companies on the list given pay very, very well.

So I don’t think there’s much correlation between the examples given
 


dsr-burnley

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You do realise that there are quoting 100 CEOs because it's the FTSE 100, not because there's only 100 of them :facepalm:

There's all the other directors and highly paid individuals in those companies plus tens of thousands of others. There are currently 300,000 declaring income over £200,000 pa on PAYE alone which I'm sure you are aware is a very small percentage of those actually getting over £200K. You may want to rework those figures of yours and their effect on inflation ???
Yes, I realise that the 100 CEOs aren't the only people earning £3.9m per year. But there aren't any other figures to quote. I was replying to a specific figure about specific people.

I suspect the 300,000 people on over £200,000 salary for PAYE is quite a high proportion of the people getting over £200,000 UK income, not a very small percentage. How would you enumerate "very small"? 5%? That would mean 6 million people with income over £200k in this country. Seems unlikely.
 


Randy McNob

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Depends on the company. But some of those companies on the list given pay very, very well.

So I don’t think there’s much correlation between the examples given
but if CEO on average went up 16% then private companies and PLCs must be doing OK, so why can we raise the basic living wage or the minimum wage by 16%.

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Springal

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but if CEO on average went up 16% then private companies and PLCs must be doing OK, so why can we raise the basic living wage or the minimum wage by 16%.

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The examples already been given. Paying 1 person 16% more on say £10M (highest paid PLC) - is £1.6M. Spread that across her 2200 employees is £727 each. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 


wellquickwoody

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You do realise that there are quoting 100 CEOs because it's the FTSE 100, not because there's only 100 of them :facepalm:

There's all the other directors and highly paid individuals in those companies plus tens of thousands of others. There are currently 300,000 declaring income over £200,000 pa on PAYE alone which I'm sure you are aware is a very small percentage of those actually getting over £200K. You may want to rework those figures of yours and their effect on inflation ???
To be fair there only 100 CEOs of the 100 companies listed on the FTSE 100.
 


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