CORBYN-Policies NOT The Man

[sydney]

i can assure you sir , i aint an idiot. whereas you come across as an argumentative , anti - english twitt ...time after time after time ..!

 

[daveinprague]

i can assure you sir , i aint an idiot. whereas you come across as an argumentative , anti - english twitt ...time after time after time ..!

Please show me where I have been 'anti English' ...actually...dont bother wasting your time. Im not anti English, by any stretch. Argumentative? Your post was a little argumentative I think, with no bearing on the thread.

 

[sydney]

Please show me where I have been 'anti English' ...actually...dont bother wasting your time. Im not anti English, by any stretch. Argumentative? Your post was a little argumentative I think, with no bearing on the thread.

look , you can't say you aren't argumentative.....what was the thread about ..?

 

[daveinprague]

The thread is about Corbyns policies......all you have added so far is an attack on people for being 'anti English' for some idiotic reason. Some would say 'argumentative'

 

[sydney]

i think you may find that corbyn has been extremely anti -english in the past.....he will just be another smokescreen/patsy/miss piggy/figurehead.....i am really sad at the at the state of English politics , they appear to be selling out....

 

[daveinprague]

and the thread was started to move away from the 'Corbyn/Terrorist' crap... more about the policies than the person.

 

[Goldstone1976]

Don't derail the thread please. If you want to have a pop at each other, why not start a new thread in the other stuff? It would save me from having to deal with a thread derailment...

 

[Seasidesage]

Quite like some of those policy's. Hate others though and would prevent me from voting for him. For me the outcome of his election will be the break up of the UK and years of divisive Tory government. That said his rivals for the Labour leadership are spineless convictionless wimps from what I can see. To beg their supporters not to cast their 2nd and 3rd preference votes for Corbyn is a disgrace. If they really felt that strongly they should be doing a deal behind the scenes and rallying around one candidate, but their vanity doesn't allow that...

 

[sydney]

Quite like some of those policy's. Hate others though and would prevent me from voting for him. For me the outcome of his election will be the break up of the UK and years of divisive Tory government. That said his rivals for the Labour leadership are spineless convictionless wimps from what I can see. To beg their supporters not to cast their 2nd and 3rd preference votes for Corbyn is a disgrace. If they really felt that strongly they should be doing a deal behind the scenes and rallying around one candidate, but their vanity doesn't allow that...

because all the movers and shakers are going into private business leaving all the half-whitt rolf harris types to run for govt..........big sucks.

corbyn is a mugg ....you are obviously due your opinion dave...!! all the time the french are flick passing the immigrants our way the average man/woman in the street hasn't really got much of a hope....innit...?



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[Castello]

I'm much more likely to vote Labour with someone like Corbyn in charge than any of the other three identikit candidates. He at least appears to have some morals and a purpose. And that is coming from a UKIP supporter !

I think this is far closer to what the Corbyn effect is about than the original post. It's not the policies he stands on that are drawing people in. As has been pointed out the policies the Labour party stands on will be debated and set by the whole party not by the leader of the party.

What is drawing people to him is he argues from a moral and principled position. Something that has been lost by the centreground parties. take 30 minutes and listen to this radio programme.

http://bbc.in/1Tur1oj

What is happening is the negative politics of fear, is being replaced with a positive politics of hope. We are moving from politicians trying to guess where the ever shifting centre ground is, to politicians who state what they believe in and saying vote for me if you agree and don't if you don't.

What I find interesting is someone who is a Ukip supporter and someone who voted TUSC can so easily find common ground. I have noticed before that I agree with Westdene Seagull more often than I disagree. The old concepts of Left and Right are less rigid than we think.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Double post .... hours apart

 

[pastafarian]

In regards to Corbyn's policies - it's important to remember that they are policies of the man, not the party. If Corbyn becomes labour leader then the 2020 manifesto would obviously look very different to that - for example leaving NATO almost certainly would not be part of the debate.

They are indeed policies of the man,but also surely his vision of the direction he wants Labour to go.Labour supporters (if the polls are right) are backing his vision.You cant really say dont worry about the NATO thing that wont be Labour policy when it comes to the crunch.......if you are going to say that you might as well say all his policies or thinking will be abandoned come the 2020 election

 

[alfredmizen]

and the thread was started to move away from the 'Corbyn/Terrorist' crap... more about the policies than the person.

Except it isn't crap.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Double post .... hours apart

I saw that. I just assumed you were going for 2 free lunches.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Interesting times for those that like their politics.
another thread descended into his dodgy past with terrorists

but what about simply discussing his policies only,and the implications of said stuff should he become PM in 2020

Economy

End austerity
high taxes for the rich
Print more money(quantitative easing)
Raise £120bn annually by clamping down on tax avoidance
Nationalize Railways
Nationalize Utilities

Defence

Withdraw from Nato
Abandon 2% of defence of GDP plan
Stop Trident continuing until 2032 by defeating the gov in 2016 vote

Education

End public schools' charitable status,
Tuition fees scrapped and a return to the grant system
free universal childcare for everyone, rich or poor

Housing

Introduce rent controls
right to buy at a discount to include those in social housing and private rented accommodation

EU

opposes the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)
Not sure anyone knows where he really stands on EU membership.....mixed messages

Monarchy

No longer interested in that fight


think i am fairly correct in what he is standing for but willing to be corrected

5th thread on Jez & yet you post NO opinions yourself. If you have nothing to add why start another thread
Pathetic (unless you have voted Jezzer? If which case well done my son keep em coming!)

 

[pastafarian]

This is insane. Take everything people didn't like about Ed Milliband, and double, no triple down. I've never seen voluntary capitulation like this. What did David Cameron do to be afforded such weak opponents? He wants to reopen the mines - there are no words.

In fairness to this idea i have read the odd titbit over the past few years on this and many people seem to be in agreement that the mines (reopened on a smaller scale) could actually be run at a profit due to advancement in mining technology.It would mean a vastly smaller workforce compared to the days of old though.

 

[pastafarian]

5th thread on Jez & yet you post NO opinions yourself. If you have nothing to add why start another thread
Pathetic (unless you have voted Jezzer? If which case well done my son keep em coming!)

really?
is calling the idea of leaving NATO bonkers(post #6) not an opinion?

 

[5ways]

In fairness to this idea i have read the odd titbit over the past few years on this and many people seem to be in agreement that the mines (reopened on a smaller scale) could actually be run at a profit due to advancement in mining technology.It would mean a vastly smaller workforce compared to the days of old though.

regardless of the feasibility it's the optics of the idea that would make middle England choke on its cornflakes. You'd think really?

 

[sten]

5th thread on Jez & yet you post NO opinions yourself. If you have nothing to add why start another thread
Pathetic (unless you have voted Jezzer? If which case well done my son keep em coming!)

More chance of handcuffing a ghost than my old mate voting for jc

 

[sten]

really?
is calling the idea of leaving NATO bonkers(post #6) not an opinion?

The only opinion you offer these days is trying to decide what cider to have at the bar