[Misc] Conspiracy theories

[father_and_son]

I subscribe to the view that no major conspiracy theory *can* be true because too many people would be involved. I'd speculate the limit on people staying silent is 6. If more than 6 people are involved then *someone* will break ranks and say something.

JFK... Could just about get away with 6 (especially given how many would subsequently be killed). Moon Landing... No way! Have you seen the credits at the end of a movie? No way they could have been constructed and filmed without somebody, even on their death bed, wanting to release the proof they had.

That's my take on it. Always apply the rule of 6. Could it be done with just 6 people in the know?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Do we know whether Potter is keen on pizza and also anti recycling?


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This could be where this falls down. I mean, have you SEEN him? The last time our GP saw a pizza I reckon it was at a kids' birthday party. He's also pretty keen on recycling players' positions

 

[Machiavelli]

Which, of course, you can totally and irrefutably prove.

Is there a book about it by an expert in Freemasonary who appears to specialise in historic inaccuracy?

What is it that you can totally and irrefutably prove?

 

[Machiavelli]

Alright.

Marx & the Rothschild connection

Karl Marx was related to the Rothschild family. Not particularly close, but his grandmother Nanette Barent-Cohen was the cousin of Henriette Barent-Cohen, who was married to Nathan Mayer Rothschild. Its not the closest of relations, but considering the Rothschild family was the most successful banking family at the time, while Marx propagated for a development that would naturally result in a "world bank" - the coincidence turns remarkable. Imagine if i.e. Boris was related, even distantly, to someone who would make a fortune out of a no-deal Brexit: surely you would find it interesting?

A couple of controversial (anti-semitic*) remarks have been made about this. Marx socialist rival, Bakunin, was convinced there was something shady about it:

"“Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.

This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ....”

Likewise, another supposedly impactful and either Zionist or anti-semitic (if it was faked) text, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, also refers to Marxism as one of its "tools".

It is mentioned in the third point of the second protocol, previous two points included for a bit of context (I'm just going to suppose that people have not read the protocols):

1. It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give the strength of our predominance, and this state of things will put both sides at the mercy of our international AGENTUR; which possesses millions of eyes ever on the watch and unhampered by any limitations whatsoever. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves.

2. The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world. As is well known to you, these specialists of ours have been drawing to fit them for rule the information they need from our political plans from the lessons of history, from observations made of the events of every moment as it passes. The GOYIM are not guided by practical use of unprejudiced historical observation, but by theoretical routine without any critical regard for consequent results. We need not, therefore, take any account of them – let them amuse themselves until the hour strikes, or live on hopes of new forms of enterprising pastime, or on the memories of all they have enjoyed. For them let that play the principal part which we have persuaded them to accept as the dictates of science (theory). It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these theories. The intellectuals of the GOYIM will puff themselves up with their knowledge and without any logical verification of them will put into effect all the information available from science, which our AGENTUR specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.

3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.

Now if there was/is a Zionist* conspiracy, I dont think anyone would question the Rothschilds being a part of this hypothetical conspiracy - making the shared blood more significant.

Hitler & the Rothschild connection

While Marx biological relation to the Rothschilds is confirmed and unlikely to be challenged by anyone, the Hitler relation is more speculative but not particularly far-fetched.

Walter C Langer, a psychoanalyst and former CIA (or rather the precursor, OSS) worker, who wrote the book "The Mind of Adolf Hitler" in the early 70s summarise it in a convinient way so that I won't have to:

"There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois. Thyssen and Koehler, for example, claim that Chancellor Dollfuss had ordered the Austrian police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved that Maria Anna Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived. At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was born. If it is true that one of the Rothschilds is the real father of Alois Hitler, it would make Adolf a quarter Jew. According to these sources, Adolf Hitler knew of the existence of this document and the incriminating evidence it contained. In order to obtain it he precipitated events in Austria and initiated the assassination of Dollfuss. According to this story, he failed to obtain the document at that time since Dollfuss had secreted it and had told Schuschnigg of its whereabouts so that in the event of his death the independence of Austria would remain assured. Several stories of this general character are in circulation."

Furthermore there are other interesting coincidences that links Hitler to the Rothschilds, but none as strong as this. It should be noted that plenty of serious (and non-serious) historians states that Salomon Rothschild was very promiscous and put his cock into women of all shapes, sizes... and ages.

Of those believing Hitler had Jewish heritage, there is generally two directions: some states that he hated this fact and therefore wanted to conceal it, others believe that he was working for the Zionist cause. The first belief probably doesnt need a longer explanation, but the second might:

Hitler and his relationship with the Zionist* leaders is a very sensitive subject generally and specifically to a lot of Orthodox jews who believe that the Zionist leaders in Europe and America betrayed the Jewish people in multiple ways.

As Rabbi Lieberrman writes, referring to post-war author Domb who wrote "The Millions That Could Have Been Saved":

"It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!

In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed."

Another upsetting (and yes, to a lot of Jews as well) and interesting link between the Hitler regime and the Zionist leadership is the latter offering its services to the supposed Jew hater Hitler. The small but important Zionist organisation (Lehi / Stern Gang) made this proposal to the Germans during the war:

"The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that: 1.Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO. 2.Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry. 3.The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.

On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.

This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed."

So... thats the extended but not complete version of the bloodbands and ideological ties between the Zionist leadership and Marx/Hitler.

* = I want to be very clear that I have nothing against Jews as a "race" or religion and that the conspiracy is not "Jewish", but Masonic and while including some significant Jewish players, the organisation overall is global and involving people from (probably) all races and ethniticities. That i.e. Bakunin and others were unaware of the global power of Masonic organisations and instead refers to Jews is not that odd, as more and more information on the Masonic power has been revealed for the last hundred years or so.

Paleo-nonsense. Bakunin would have laughed in your face.

 

[Bakero]

May I humbly ad this one to the list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNtr0RahRqM

How the presenters didn't call the men in white coats with their nice jacket that holds the arms in place I will never know

That’s brilliant...

It really is. Smart fella and a great actor. I'm almost tempted to buy a t-shirt.

 

[Guinness Boy]

What is it that you can totally and irrefutably prove?

Dunno I'm asking Dan.

My guess is absolutely nothing.....

 

[The Wizard]

Pyramids weren’t built by humans - won’t have anyone tell me otherwise.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I subscribe to the view that no major conspiracy theory *can* be true because too many people would be involved. I'd speculate the limit on people staying silent is 6. If more than 6 people are involved then *someone* will break ranks and say something.

JFK... Could just about get away with 6 (especially given how many would subsequently be killed). Moon Landing... No way! Have you seen the credits at the end of a movie? No way they could have been constructed and filmed without somebody, even on their death bed, wanting to release the proof they had.

That's my take on it. Always apply the rule of 6. Could it be done with just 6 people in the know?

You have recently joined SAGE and a government think tank and I claim my five pounds

 

[Guinness Boy]

Pyramids weren’t built by humans - won’t have anyone tell me otherwise.

Yep, camels are clever buggers.

 

[Weststander]

I don’t want to know his opinion on shagging in basements!

Or rolling joints?

 

[Swansman]

Pyramids weren’t built by humans - won’t have anyone tell me otherwise.

The pyramids is truly one of the things linking what I would refer to as the "wild" conspiracy theory with the "earthbound". They are fascinating on so many levels and studying them is really a lifetime thing. I've read many books both about Pyramidology and Egyptology, and it feels like I've barely had a sneak peek.

The lesser known modern equivalent (well, not reeeeaally but as close as it gets) Coral Castle is also a fascinating story although not on the same level obviously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

 

[Rodney Thomas]

It really is. Smart fella and a great actor. I'm almost tempted to buy a t-shirt.

Indeed. The "I have as much evidence as the birds have given us" was a brilliant line.

I'd be interested in one of their caps.

 

[joydivisionovengloves]

My penis is shaped like Jesus.

Every time I get it out, everyone's response is always the same.

"**** me I never knew the son of god was a purple midget" ?

 

[Swansman]

Titanic was actually her sister ship Olympic.

Olympic collided with a Royal Navy vessel, suffering severe structural damage deemed too costly to repair properly.

Titanic was still under construction in Belfast. The ships identities were subsequently switched, and a plot hatched to stage an incident at sea as part of an insurance claim. Rescue ships were waiting in a predetermined area, but the plan failed following another accidental collision, and a sinking with massive loss of life occurred as a result.

There's a book - 'Titanic: the ship that never sank' - which explores this conspiracy theory in detail.

IMO it is likely that Titanic was deliberately sent to the bottom of the ocean.

JP Morgan bailing out in the last minute while several powerful opponents of the Federal Reserve Act went on that fatal journey. Its shady, even though I cant say I've read too much about it. Could just have been a shit ship for all I know.

 

[rigton70]

Alright.

Marx & the Rothschild connection

Karl Marx was related to the Rothschild family. Not particularly close, but his grandmother Nanette Barent-Cohen was the cousin of Henriette Barent-Cohen, who was married to Nathan Mayer Rothschild. Its not the closest of relations, but considering the Rothschild family was the most successful banking family at the time, while Marx propagated for a development that would naturally result in a "world bank" - the coincidence turns remarkable. Imagine if i.e. Boris was related, even distantly, to someone who would make a fortune out of a no-deal Brexit: surely you would find it interesting?

A couple of controversial (anti-semitic*) remarks have been made about this. Marx socialist rival, Bakunin, was convinced there was something shady about it:

"“Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.

This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ....”

Likewise, another supposedly impactful and either Zionist or anti-semitic (if it was faked) text, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, also refers to Marxism as one of its "tools".

It is mentioned in the third point of the second protocol, previous two points included for a bit of context (I'm just going to suppose that people have not read the protocols):

1. It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give the strength of our predominance, and this state of things will put both sides at the mercy of our international AGENTUR; which possesses millions of eyes ever on the watch and unhampered by any limitations whatsoever. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves.

2. The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world. As is well known to you, these specialists of ours have been drawing to fit them for rule the information they need from our political plans from the lessons of history, from observations made of the events of every moment as it passes. The GOYIM are not guided by practical use of unprejudiced historical observation, but by theoretical routine without any critical regard for consequent results. We need not, therefore, take any account of them – let them amuse themselves until the hour strikes, or live on hopes of new forms of enterprising pastime, or on the memories of all they have enjoyed. For them let that play the principal part which we have persuaded them to accept as the dictates of science (theory). It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these theories. The intellectuals of the GOYIM will puff themselves up with their knowledge and without any logical verification of them will put into effect all the information available from science, which our AGENTUR specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.

3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.

Now if there was/is a Zionist* conspiracy, I dont think anyone would question the Rothschilds being a part of this hypothetical conspiracy - making the shared blood more significant.

Hitler & the Rothschild connection

While Marx biological relation to the Rothschilds is confirmed and unlikely to be challenged by anyone, the Hitler relation is more speculative but not particularly far-fetched.

Walter C Langer, a psychoanalyst and former CIA (or rather the precursor, OSS) worker, who wrote the book "The Mind of Adolf Hitler" in the early 70s summarise it in a convinient way so that I won't have to:

"There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois. Thyssen and Koehler, for example, claim that Chancellor Dollfuss had ordered the Austrian police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved that Maria Anna Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived. At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was born. If it is true that one of the Rothschilds is the real father of Alois Hitler, it would make Adolf a quarter Jew. According to these sources, Adolf Hitler knew of the existence of this document and the incriminating evidence it contained. In order to obtain it he precipitated events in Austria and initiated the assassination of Dollfuss. According to this story, he failed to obtain the document at that time since Dollfuss had secreted it and had told Schuschnigg of its whereabouts so that in the event of his death the independence of Austria would remain assured. Several stories of this general character are in circulation."

Furthermore there are other interesting coincidences that links Hitler to the Rothschilds, but none as strong as this. It should be noted that plenty of serious (and non-serious) historians states that Salomon Rothschild was very promiscous and put his cock into women of all shapes, sizes... and ages.

Of those believing Hitler had Jewish heritage, there is generally two directions: some states that he hated this fact and therefore wanted to conceal it, others believe that he was working for the Zionist cause. The first belief probably doesnt need a longer explanation, but the second might:

Hitler and his relationship with the Zionist* leaders is a very sensitive subject generally and specifically to a lot of Orthodox jews who believe that the Zionist leaders in Europe and America betrayed the Jewish people in multiple ways.

As Rabbi Lieberrman writes, referring to post-war author Domb who wrote "The Millions That Could Have Been Saved":

"It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!

In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed."

Another upsetting (and yes, to a lot of Jews as well) and interesting link between the Hitler regime and the Zionist leadership is the latter offering its services to the supposed Jew hater Hitler. The small but important Zionist organisation (Lehi / Stern Gang) made this proposal to the Germans during the war:

"The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that: 1.Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO. 2.Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry. 3.The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.

On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.

This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed."

So... thats the extended but not complete version of the bloodbands and ideological ties between the Zionist leadership and Marx/Hitler.

* = I want to be very clear that I have nothing against Jews as a "race" or religion and that the conspiracy is not "Jewish", but Masonic and while including some significant Jewish players, the organisation overall is global and involving people from (probably) all races and ethniticities. That i.e. Bakunin and others were unaware of the global power of Masonic organisations and instead refers to Jews is not that odd, as more and more information on the Masonic power has been revealed for the last hundred years or so.

I assume you have watched Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told.

 

[beorhthelm]

So... thats the extended but not complete version of the bloodbands and ideological ties between the Zionist leadership and Marx/Hitler.

ah, link is the Rothchilds. always is. they're an awfully busy family. and even when they have illegitimate children, presumably they influence them to the family plan of world domination.

 

[Ethelwulf]

Sami Hypia was a football manager

 

[Swansman]

I assume you have watched Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told.

Nope, I rarely watch anything but football, more of a reader... is it any interesting?

ah, link is the Rothchilds. always is. they're an awfully busy family. and even when they have illegitimate children, presumably they influence them to the family plan of world domination.

What are you trying to say here?

Would you find their plan of world domination more likely if it never was the link?

Or do you think that "ahh it's always the Rothschilds" makes it less likely that they plan world domination?

 

[rigton70]

I subscribe to the view that no major conspiracy theory *can* be true because too many people would be involved. I'd speculate the limit on people staying silent is 6. If more than 6 people are involved then *someone* will break ranks and say something.

JFK... Could just about get away with 6 (especially given how many would subsequently be killed). Moon Landing... No way! Have you seen the credits at the end of a movie? No way they could have been constructed and filmed without somebody, even on their death bed, wanting to release the proof they had.

That's my take on it. Always apply the rule of 6. Could it be done with just 6 people in the know?

This covid hitting you hard it seems.

 

[rigton70]

Nope, I rarely watch anything but football, more of a reader... is it any interesting?



What are you trying to say here?

Would you find their plan of world domination more likely if it never was the link?

Or do you think that "ahh it's always the Rothschilds" makes it less likely that they plan world domination?

I suggest you watch it.