Consolidation & I feel for poor Sami!

[nwgull]

This is true, but just one season in the Premier League will set us up for years. I don't quite understand why the club hasn't made the most of the momentum gained from the Amex. Attendances will continue to drop every season, leaving us in a worse position than the previous. I can't help but think the poor investment in the playing squad over the last few years will haunt us in the future, having missed several great chances of promotion due to selling our best players and failing to replace them.

Would you be happier if TB had made a huge gamble on getting promotion? Didn't work for Forest.

 

[spring hall convert]

How many players have we signed with the promise of pushing for the prem? Vicente, Upson, Ulloa, TK and others I bet. I think we're signing players on the premise that we'll be a premier league team soon.

They come here then soon realise that isn't the case. If we really looked like making it to the big time from the view of the rest of football, we'd have players trying to flock here. Even on a temporary lower wage I bet.

But my point was that right now, it would have made no difference to Ulloa unless we were prepared to pay massively over the odds to keep him. He was being offered Premier League football - it's an absolute no-brainer from the player's perspective.

The OP's suggestion that Ulloa has left due to a lack of ambition on our part is drivel. Utter drivel. He's left to earn more money and play a better standard of football.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Chris O'Grady - A northern lower league journeyman who in his career has had one mildly better than average season is not the answer and I worry that this is an all we can afford signing or willing to pay player. Our recent transfer dealings have been less than confidence building by being told where to go by nearly every club or player we go for....Adam Clayton, Lewis Grabban, Sam Baldock, Mustafa Carayol & we must include Stephen Ward who for 100k and our player of last season is a MUST to bring in.

What do people think is going on? Is it simply a case now that we are seriously taking a step back, paying our debts off which equals showing no ambition to get of this league anytime soon & consolidating like Derby did for many years in this division and then in 3-5 years we go again?

Just a couple of things. You include Stephen Ward in your comments. Well remember what Wolves fans said about him and many on here thought about him. Who's to say O'Grady won't be the same?

Secondly, based on your post, I'm assuming you've called the club and they've told you that O'Grady is the direct replacement for Ulloa. I find it brilliant that our fans are so arrogant these days that a player who scored 16 goals in the Championship last season is a lower league journeyman because we signed him from Barnsley.

Why don't we wait and see before spending our time moaning? Although, judging by NSC last night/today, that's impossible.

 

[timbha]

but I could be wrong about that as I don't have all the facts.

thread closed

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

How many players have we signed with the promise of pushing for the prem? Vicente, Upson, Ulloa, TK and others I bet. I think we're signing players on the premise that we'll be a premier league team soon.

They come here then soon realise that isn't the case. If we really looked like making it to the big time from the view of the rest of football, we'd have players trying to flock here. Even on a temporary lower wage I bet.

We've been in the play offs two season running you tool.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Just a couple of things. You include Stephen Ward in your comments. Well remember what Wolves fans said about him and many on here thought about him. Who's to say O'Grady won't be the same?

Secondly, based on your post, I'm assuming you've called the club and they've told you that O'Grady is the direct replacement for Ulloa. I find it brilliant that our fans are so arrogant these days that a player who scored 16 goals in the Championship last season is a lower league journeyman because we signed him from Barnsley.

Why don't we wait and see before spending our time moaning? Although, judging by NSC last night/today, that's impossible.

It's not because he came from Barnsley though is it, THIS is why he is seen as a lower league journeyman:

Leicester City 24 (1)
2004–2005 → Notts County (loan) 9 (0)
2005–2006 → Rushden & Diamonds (loan) 22 (4)
2007–2008 Rotherham United 51 (13)
2008–2009 Oldham Athletic 13 (0)
2008 → Bury (loan) 6 (0)
2009 → Bradford City (loan) 2 (0)
2009 → Stockport County (loan) 18 (2)
2009–2010 → Rochdale (loan) 24 (15)
2010–2011 Rochdale

I'm not moaning about him signing or Ulloa leaving at all, I think he'll be quite a handy signing, but it's hard to claim that he isn't a lower league journeyman when he is the definition of a lower league journeyman.

 

[spring hall convert]

We've been in the play offs two season running you tool.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good old childish whinge.

Days like today actually make me a bit embarassed to be a fan of this club. Have some faith people. TB ain't got much wrong so far.

 

[Ernest]

We've LOST in the play offs two season running you tool.

Just CORRECTED that you BUFFOON

 

[glasfryn]

here's an idea
why don't we all meet in Eastbourne walk up to Beachy Head and commit mass suicide

FFS

 

[Finchley Seagull]

It's not because he came from Barnsley though is it, THIS is why he is seen as a lower league journeyman:

Leicester City 24 (1)
2004–2005 → Notts County (loan) 9 (0)
2005–2006 → Rushden & Diamonds (loan) 22 (4)
2007–2008 Rotherham United 51 (13)
2008–2009 Oldham Athletic 13 (0)
2008 → Bury (loan) 6 (0)
2009 → Bradford City (loan) 2 (0)
2009 → Stockport County (loan) 18 (2)
2009–2010 → Rochdale (loan) 24 (15)
2010–2011 Rochdale

I'm not moaning about him signing or Ulloa leaving at all, I think he'll be quite a handy signing, but it's hard to claim that he isn't a lower league journeyman when he is the definition of a lower league journeyman.

A lot of loans there. The only clubs he's played for permanently are Leicester, Rotherham, Oldham, Rochdale and Barnsley. At 28, I wouldn't say that makes him a journeyman to be honest.

 

[Cars]

We've been in the play offs two season running you tool.

Oh yeah sorry, true. That went well didn't it? C**K

 

[nwgull]

Absolutely not. But we've sold the likes of Noone, Barnes, Bridcutt and now Ulloa for in excess of £10m - we could desperately do with any of them now - and we are not seeing this money reinvested into the squad. We are getting progressively weaker. I personally believe Burke and his team are incapable of bringing in the quality players we need, but I could be wrong about that as I don't have all the facts. Either way, the quality of our squad is deteriorating and when we are practically filling our 30,000 seater stadium this really shouldn't be happening.

Bridcutt has been replaced by Toko; Barnes by O'Grady (probably); Noone was 3rd choice winger and has arguably been replaced by March. We've also signed Stephens.

Ulloa has only just gone, so I think it's fair enough to wait a week or 2 for his replacement.

 

[SweatyMexican]

People say this every year, but we seem to be doing better than expected every year.

Give the team a chance, and comment on signings at the end of August.

 

[Lawson]

Seeing as most of us feel that Ulloa is not worth in excess of 7 million is there a chance that Hyypia feels the same? It is strange that many people state this view, point out the weak part of his game but as soon as another team wants him its all hands to panic stations perhaps he has been making lists of players he feels he could get with the money to fill the gaps in our squad and who fit better with his style of play, i imagine he will certainly have some of that money to play with on top of what he already had. Best of all this transfer has gone through several weeks before the beginning of the season allowing him to make some moves before the start of play, it would have been far more inopportune if it had been late in August. We still have the Amex, the new training grounds, a good core team who could finish mid table even taking away some more top performers, and a new top manager, as far as i am aware we still have our club identity so i am not worrying too much. I am excited to see which youth players emerge this season, with Bridcutt, Bennett, Dunk, Forster Caskey, Ince, March, all shining in previous seasons i think there will certainly be another promising break out.

 

[GT49er]

This is true, but just one season in the Premier League will set us up for years. I don't quite understand why the club hasn't made the most of the momentum gained from the Amex. Attendances will continue to drop every season, leaving us in a worse position than the previous. I can't help but think the poor investment in the playing squad over the last few years will haunt us in the future, having missed several great chances of promotion due to selling our best players and failing to replace them.

Hope you are being unduly pessimistic, but I can see where you are coming from. There are many who say it would be terrible for us to go up and come straight back down - that is, of course, bollocks. We'd be £millions better off, and therefore be in a better position for another attempt. The Night of the Errant Poo might in the long run turn out to be a tragedy.....if we're losing money now with near thirty thousand gates, what will it be like after a few years of mid-table mediocrity and gates of twenty thousand?

I know, I know - there'll be many who say we shouldn't gamble. Very sensible, I guess. After all we didn't get our nice ground and shiny new centre of excellence through gambling, did we.......oh, wait a minute................

 

[Muzzman]

 

[Zebedee]

This is true, but just one season in the Premier League will set us up for years. I don't quite understand why the club hasn't made the most of the momentum gained from the Amex. Attendances will continue to drop every season, leaving us in a worse position than the previous. I can't help but think the poor investment in the playing squad over the last few years will haunt us in the future, having missed several great chances of promotion due to selling our best players and failing to replace them.

I remain of the view that so far this season we've shown no ambition in terms of signing the quality players that we need to mount a promotion challenge this year. I hope this will change over the next few weeks, especially if the sale of Ulloa is pulled off and we've suddenly got £7M+ in the bank, but I can't help thinking that Sami is likely to see little of this money for new players. Time alone will tell I guess.

 

[Hyperion]

Hope you are being unduly pessimistic, but I can see where you are coming from. There are many who say it would be terrible for us to go up and come straight back down - that is, of course, bollocks. We'd be £millions better off, and therefore be in a better position for another attempt. The Night of the Errant Poo might in the long run turn out to be a tragedy.....if we're losing money now with near thirty thousand gates, what will it be like after a few years of mid-table mediocrity and gates of twenty thousand?

I know, I know - there'll be many who say we shouldn't gamble. Very sensible, I guess. After all we didn't get our nice ground and shiny new centre of excellence through gambling, did we.......oh, wait a minute................

Eh? You think Bloom used the cash on a new stadium, academy and losses he is soaking up is cash from playing Poker? Good grief.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

More than happy to stick around in the Championship and get a chance to watch some younger players develop then join the crazy money and greedy world of the Premiership.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

And let's get it clear Bloom did not make £100m from gambling directly, maybe in part from gambling services.