John Bumlick
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got to agree with you - your nan was a total tosser.
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[Football] Congratulations Wayne Rooney
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got to agree with you - your nan was a total tosser.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I thought it was Alan Ball.And nothing is probably what we will win in the next 50 years in fairness but it won't detract from the honour of playing for your country. Just find it odd that those who achieve what is surely every kids' ambition are then subject to being so roundly slagged off.
Who was our "main man" in '66 out of interest?
Not Jimmy Greaves. He was briefly injured but fit and available to play in the final stages but Ramsey preferred Roger Hunt........something for which he should (in my opinion) have been refused his knighthood
It was actually Hurst who Ramsey chose over Greaves.
I think the wonderful thing about Rooney's breaking of this record is how it still leaves so much room for debate about how good he is for England.
Despite being undefeated for the last thirteen games, in which we averaged 2.6 goals per game all of which featured Rooney, England still score more goals and win more games without him than they do with him.
He has played 27(?) more games than Gary Lineker, but has only managed to score two more goals.
There's also room to undermine the achievement:
Not to mention going from june 2004 to october 2007 and only managing to score 3 goals (22 games), and his inability to score for England between September 2009 and September 2010 (11 games).
He should have broken the record a couple of years ago.
http://www.englandstats.com/players.php?pid=1126
He has scored v Argentina, Holland, Brazil (in two games), but those four goals were all in friendlies. I'd say Uruguay or Poland are the biggest team he has scored against in a competitive match.
It's rare that someone achieves something so significant and yet leaves so much for his critics to point to as evidence he isn't really that good.
Despite being undefeated for the last thirteen games, in which we averaged 2.6 goals per game all of which featured Rooney, England still score more goals and win more games without him than they do with him.
He has played 27(?) more games than Gary Lineker, but has only managed to score two more goals.
There's also room to undermine the achievement:
Not to mention going from june 2004 to october 2007 and only managing to score 3 goals (22 games), and his inability to score for England between September 2009 and September 2010 (11 games).
He should have broken the record a couple of years ago.
http://www.englandstats.com/players.php?pid=1126
He has scored v Argentina, Holland, Brazil (in two games), but those four goals were all in friendlies. I'd say Uruguay or Poland are the biggest team he has scored against in a competitive match.
It's rare that someone achieves something so significant and yet leaves so much for his critics to point to as evidence he isn't really that good.
severnside gull
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He will end his career as England and Man U's all time leading scorer.
Whether or not he is or ever was "world class" it's a tad harsh to suggest that his record over a dozen years or so up to now doesn't place him at very least at the forefront of his generation. Churlish to undervalue that achievement IMO remembering that no English team has won a tournament in his lifetime let alone his career-span.
severnside gull
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I'd argue that from bitter memory as a Jimmy Greaves fan but then it was so long ago.......
Edit: just had a quick look at wiki which agrees with you on Greaves' page but implies not on Hunt's. But then wiki is about as reliable as my memory to be fair. When the squad was listed Ramsey numbered his first 11 as his "preferred" starting team. Greaves was 8 and Hurst 10. The only two of the top eleven who didn't make the final were Greaves (replaced by Hunt who was 21 in the original listing after being injured in the opening game I think) and John Connelly who was replaced by Martin Peters (16)
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
He was an out and out attacking midfielder or old fashioned inside left. England always played 2 forwards ahead of him, with Stiles just behind as did Manutd. He even played as a holding midfielder as he got to his mid30's.
nwgull
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He's been brilliant for years at Man Utd. Can't get to a much higher level than Champions League winner (and finalist) at club level - and this is probably a higher standard than the World Cup in today's game.
8 wins out of 8 and still people slag off Englandclueless
where have you been the last 48 years?
AZ Gull
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(This comes from Sporting Intelligence, by the way).
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Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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Supporting my country for most of it like any true Englishman that likes football
Because we haven't won a major tourno in 49 years does that mean we haven't achieved anything since Sounds a bit Man Utd glory supporting statement to me...
You'd have to be a right twit to moan about tonight. What's not to like? 
Supporting my country for most of it like any true Englishman that likes football
if you're happy. Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Germany, Italy, Holland, Spain, Greece, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Russia, Yugoslavia, Belgium and France have done much better.
severnside gull
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Sheebo
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And there's hundreds of countries in the world... I'm not happy that we've not performed consistently at the majors but the criticism of so called fans is a joke. Recently, we've been the best in Europe at qualifying which is always nice. Look at the Dutch at the moment. Only one country every 2 years can win the majors I'm afraid - We've done alright overall IMO...
How long have you supported the Albion for out of interest?
46 years
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
He will be celebrating with someones granny tonight.
