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Another Berkshire Seagull said:
DK mentioned the lowering Withdean crowds

Except that our first two crowds were very good, the third affected by the Sunday move to accomodate the cricketers. Odd logic.
 




Al Bion

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Sep 3, 2004
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I still think the Revell substitution against Crewe was the turning point when DK realised McGhee had 'lost' the crowd - the majority of the crowd were up in arms at this decision, young and old alike. The mass walk-out shortly afterwards and then the loud chants at Bristol City probably just helped him make his mind up.

Suddenly becoming the 'community club' and DK talking about it as though we always were to the media is a good PR move in my opinion, however loosely it may stack up that we actually are, at least there's the perception of what we're trying to become.
 


Silent Bob

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Bozza said:
Just seen Dick Knight on "The Championship" going on again about how we call ourselves a "Community Club". When did anyone call the Albion a Community Club before they were looking for an excuse as to why to sack McGhee?
Why did he ned an excuse?
 


Lord Bracknell said:
Personally, I think the time is coming when a properly constituted Supporters' Trust should be established.

I agree - I'm troubled that over the past few days decsions seem to have been made by people speaking on behalf of the fans. A democratic vehicle that would allow the fans to speak for themselves is long overdue.
 
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e77

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The timing of the dismissal was a bit odd, i.e. the day before a match.

Also, if MM wasn't going to get a proper period of time to turn things round why didn't the board get rid of him at the end of last season?
 


e77 said:
... if MM wasn't going to get a proper period of time to turn things round why didn't the board get rid of him at the end of last season?
Because to do so then would have meant that it would have looked like it was the Blooms taking all the decisions (an impression that DK didn't want to give).

Doing the deed now (and in the way that it happened) is DK proving that he is in charge.
 




El Presidente said:
Fair enough, in which case would it make more sense to publish the minutes of such meetings on a forum such as NSC, subject to sensitive issues not being put in the public domain

They're already posted in the Wank Bank on NSP.

Regarding the original question, Knight has played the sacking of McGhee really well. By saying he did it 'for the fans', he's already deflected any abuse he might get if it all goes tits up.
 


Lord Bracknell said:
Because to do so then would have meant that it would have looked like it was the Blooms taking all the decisions (an impression that DK didn't want to give).

Doing the deed now (and in the way that it happened) is DK proving that he is in charge.

If your theory is true, it's a depressing state of affairs. Making important decisions about the direction of the club on the basis of boardroom rivalry calculation, rather than in the best interests of the playing side, does not suggest to me steadfast and principled leadership :(

Mark McGhee has been an honest servant of the club and deserved honest, not calculating, support. Even more importantly, if the playing side was going to have a fresh start, the summer was the right time.
 


Jim D

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I think this marks the beginning of the end for Knight. He hasn't behaved honourably in this and he will suffer for it later. He's trying to keep himself afloat by ditching the dodgy cargo - but his ship's still sinking.

Now he's played the 'community' card it's only a matter of time before it's played against him.
 




rool

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Jul 10, 2003
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Surely there's no need for a fans representative to push through the wishes of the fans anymore?.

It looks like voting with your feet sways more with the current chairman than debate at a board meeting.

That's real fan power :lolol:
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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Jim D said:
I think this marks the beginning of the end for Knight. He hasn't behaved honourably in this and he will suffer for it later. He's trying to keep himself afloat by ditching the dodgy cargo - but his ship's still sinking.

Now he's played the 'community' card it's only a matter of time before it's played against him.

I don't think it marks the end for DK at all. But the underlying problem of strengthening the team still needs to be addressed. Can't keep nicking the odd point with late own goals and goals from defenders.

And the 'community club/stadium' thing can only be for the good. It counteracts LDC's claims that building the stadium would only benefit the football club. The 'community stadium' label makes it much more difficult for LDC to oppose the stadium without appearing to be acting against 'the community' which they are supposed to be serving.
 


Dandyman

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Lord Bracknell said:

Personally, I think the time is coming when a properly constituted Supporters' Trust should be established.


:clap:
 




Brovion

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El Presidente said:
I think the reason's why DK's comments have tocuhed a nerve with many of us who historically been 100% behind him and to a large extent MM too is that it looks like a politicians' answer to the sacking.

The 'COmmunity Club' flag only seems to be waved when DK either wants money from fans or is trying to avoid taking flak.

If a single chant at Bristol City warranted his dismissal (there was no such reaction at Forest for example) then it is shabby treatment by the chairman
100% agree. "Empty barrels make the most noise" as a teacher was fond of saying to us at school. Sacking the manager because of a few "McGhee out!" chants is no way to run a football club.
 


Dandyman

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Brovian said:
100% agree. "Empty barrels make the most noise" as a teacher was fond of saying to us at school. Sacking the manager because of a few "McGhee out!" chants is no way to run a football club.

The chants were a symptom of a more widespread problem. Anyone who saw the reaction of the players at the end of the game on saturday and their body language and reactions at Brizzle was looking at two different teams in terms of morale and unity.
 


Brovion

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Dandyman said:
The chants were a symptom of a more widespread problem. Anyone who saw the reaction of the players at the end of the game on saturday and their body language and reactions at Brizzle was looking at two different teams in terms of morale and unity.
Oh I agree, which makes it more of a politician's answer that McGhee was sacked because we're a 'community club'. Why hide behind the fans?
 


110%

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Do you think this was DK trying to avoid previous instances where indecision has cost us and where he took a lot of flack from the fans. I'm thinking particularly of his support for Hinshelwood, which eventually cost us? So perhaps this time round he could see the same sort of problems developing and acted quickly (too quickly in some people's eyes) to avoid the same sort of situation?
 




Man of Harveys

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Brovian said:
Oh I agree, which makes it more of a politician's answer that McGhee was sacked because we're a 'community club'. Why hide behind the fans?
I think you're being way too harsh and daftly oversensitive on a comment which I took to be a very admirable way of reminding people that a chairman who came out of the Dark Days still feels a strong need to be accountable to the normal fans ranks from which he came.

I'd suggest that most chairmen are happy to ignore the fans. But because of the unique circumstances of DK taking over, he can't and won't do that. Good.
 


The Large One

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Man of Harveys said:
I think you're being way too harsh and daftly oversensitive on a comment which I took to be a very admirable way of reminding people that a chairman who came out of the Dark Days still feels a strong need to be accountable to the normal fans ranks from which he came.

I'd suggest that most chairmen are happy to ignore the fans. But because of the unique circumstances of DK taking over, he can't and won't do that. Good.
Totally agree. Some people are reading far too much into his statement. He is merely stating he is answerable to, not hiding behind, the fans.
 
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