Colin Kazim-Richards will appear in court today

[LamieRobertson]

There's every chance they may well do, depending on the verdict of course.

True

 

[wellquickwoody]

Someone is stabbed at a football match, 24,999 weren't - where does democracy come into it when deciding whether to prosecute - totally spurious argument!

495 didn't laugh at, or abuse the perpetrator (sp) of the stabbing.. They also believe the prosecution would be in the public interest.

Yours, is the totally spurious argument.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

495 didn't laugh at, or abuse the perpetrator (sp) of the stabbing.. They also believe the prosecution would be in the public interest.

Yours, is the totally spurious argument.

Where has the fans abusing him come from? Was he being abused at the Amex?

 

[Rugrat]

Why then haven't the FA done anything?

No idea, just seems like a huge waste of money and public resource to be dealing with this stuff when those stuffy suits at Lancaster Gate, or wherever they are now, could handle it.

In the big scheme of criminal prosecutions this does strike he as something equivalent to riding a bike with no lights on

 

[wellquickwoody]

Where has the fans abusing him come from? Was he being abused at the Amex?

Post #77, keep up dear chap.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Post #77, keep up dear chap.

I thought that was your hypothetical scenario.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I thought that was your hypothetical scenario.

It was entirely hypothetical, see post #78

 

[happypig]

495 didn't laugh at, or abuse the perpetrator (sp) of the stabbing.. They also believe the prosecution would be in the public interest.

Yours, is the totally spurious argument.

I was there, didn't see the gesture, didn't abuse CKR and I believe it's in the public interest. Assuming I'm not alone, how many people does it need before it's worth it in your eyes ?
FWIW, prosecutions for stuff like this happen every day, I dealt with one last week, a section 4 public order prosecution, bloke and his girlfriend arguing in public. Most of us would probably ignore it ("it's just banter") and think they were just scumbags; two separate people were concerned enough to call the police, who decided an arrest was in order and the CPS decided to prosecute.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I was there, didn't see the gesture, didn't abuse CKR and I believe it's in the public interest. Assuming I'm not alone, how many people does it need before it's worth it in your eyes ?
FWIW, prosecutions for stuff like this happen every day, I dealt with one last week, a section 4 public order prosecution, bloke and his girlfriend arguing in public. Most of us would probably ignore it ("it's just banter") and think they were just scumbags; two separate people were concerned enough to call the police, who decided an arrest was in order and the CPS decided to prosecute.

C'mon, common sense should prevail?

My figures were hypothetical, but if they were anywhere near accurate, then surely the answer is blindingly obvious.

 

[El Presidente]

I was there, didn't see the gesture, didn't abuse CKR and I believe it's in the public interest. Assuming I'm not alone, how many people does it need before it's worth it in your eyes ?
FWIW, prosecutions for stuff like this happen every day, I dealt with one last week, a section 4 public order prosecution, bloke and his girlfriend arguing in public. Most of us would probably ignore it ("it's just banter") and think they were just scumbags; two separate people were concerned enough to call the police, who decided an arrest was in order and the CPS decided to prosecute.

Did the police arrest both parties?

 

[happypig]

Did the police arrest both parties?

I believe so, although I only dealt with the feller. After all the facts were revealed he got a discharge and no order for costs.

I should make it clear that I don't think they were "scumbags", but it's what a lot of people would think, given the behaviour.

 

[El Presidente]

I believe so, although I only dealt with the feller. After all the facts were revealed he got a discharge and no order for costs.

I should make it clear that I don't think they were "scumbags", but it's what a lot of people would think, given the behaviour.

Fair enough. I have no idea if they are scumbags either.

So if two parties are both abusing each other the police might arrest both, that does seem equitable.....

 

[wellquickwoody]

Fair enough. I have no idea if they are scumbags either.

So if two parties are both abusing each other the police might arrest both, that does seem equitable.....

And perhaps get a discharge, and no order for costs?

Seems far too sensible, especially for football.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What is wrong with a warning. Is a visit to court really necessary ?

no , ANY EXCUSE TO GET THE FIO INTO COURT
regards
DR

 

[Seagull on the wing]

I believe so, although I only dealt with the feller. After all the facts were revealed he got a discharge and no order for costs.

I should make it clear that I don't think they were "scumbags", but it's what a lot of people would think, given the behaviour.

Got a discharge....think he should've gone to his GP instead of court....hope he sues his girlfriend for giving him the pox

 

[maltaseagull]

Can you explain why please because I don't get it. Equally can you explain why that Leeds player didn't go to court for the gestures he made. Personally I was just happy to see him sent off, never occurred to me for a minute that he would be in trouble with the police.

Same with CKR, would have liked the FA to do something, but a three day court appearance, where in all liklihood he will get fined and told not to do it again. Ridiculous waste of money.

You are on the wrong site. This makes perfect sense

 

[LamieRobertson]

No idea, just seems like a huge waste of money and public resource to be dealing with this stuff when those stuffy suits at Lancaster Gate, or wherever they are now, could handle it.

In the big scheme of criminal prosecutions this does strike he as something equivalent to riding a bike with no lights on

Hmm..I'm not sure i quite draw the same parallel...but i do get concerned when outside bodies get involved..but then if football doesn't get its own house in order?...Against that the 'gay' issue now seems to be the issue currently in fashion ..why now and not before?

PS hows business?

 

[Rugrat]

Hmm..I'm not sure i quite draw the same parallel...but i do get concerned when outside bodies get involved..but then if football doesn't get its own house in order?...Against that the 'gay' issue now seems to be the issue currently in fashion ..why now and not before?

PS hows business?

I think that's my point, football is a multi gazillion £ industry and should be able to deal with the relatively few bad apples that come along, certainly cases like this anyway. When I see, and in some cases suffer, more and more cuts in public spending this just doesn't sit comfortably with me when the FA could fine him £loads and ban him for xx games and you just know it would be eradicated almost immediately.

On an even more negative note business is c**p hence on NSC at 10.00 on a Wednesday morning. In fact pretty well given up trying to compete with the big consulting firms, so I'm now back scouring the classifieds!!

 

[LamieRobertson]

I think that's my point, football is a multi gazillion £ industry and should be able to deal with the relatively few bad apples that come along, certainly cases like this anyway. When I see, and in some cases suffer, more and more cuts in public spending this just doesn't sit comfortably with me when the FA could fine him £loads and ban him for xx games and you just know it would be eradicated almost immediately.

On an even more negative note business is c**p hence on NSC at 10.00 on a Wednesday morning. In fact pretty well given up trying to compete with the big consulting firms, so I'm now back scouring the classifieds!!

Sorry to hear that...best of luck with the classifieds!

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Who would undertake the "sanity check" ? A qualified and experienced lawyer or a van driver on an Internet forum ?

I have been thinking about this happypig. Strange as it may initially seem I actually think your "van driver on an internet forum" would be an improvement for the Sanity Check.

If you are adept with a big hammer - the solutions to problems you are presented with tend to involve a big hammer. If you are a surgeon, soutions tend to involve cutting things out. If you are a qualified and experienced lawyer - solutions tend to involve a court case. But as Rugrat pointed out - there are other better solutions - and a qualified and experienced lawyer may not look at these because - well - what he knows best is the law. What you want is someone who will look at different solutions and can weigh up what works best within the cost constraints.

So maybe the CPS want to prosecute because that is what they do. But that does not make it the best approach.

Anyway - that is my two-penneth.