Cold War 2

[Chicken Run]

I kid you not, with issues on the Borders of Russia and yet again Russian Bombers in our areas of interest yesterday Putin is truly testing NATO…

 

[Nathan]

Haven't seen Cold War 1, is it on Netflix?

 

[Chicken Run]

Haven't seen Cold War 1, is it on Netflix?

Your too young! I doubt the first one even registers!

 

[Surf's Up]

Not sure this is likely to be a particularly "Cold" war with the way things are shaping up. At the moment only Merkle and Hollande seem to be preventing a military escalation of the crisis with the US itching to providing arms and support to the Ukranians. I can see a point in the not too distant future when the whole thing blows and the Americans and some European countries get more directly involved.

 

[Frutos]

Shame we don't have a V-Force anymore.

 

[studio150]

Unfortunately the worry has to be that the current conflict and the attitude of Russia goes beyond a cold war. If, as has suggested in some news reports, that Russia uses the same tactics from the Ukraine in any of the Baltic states, then the Eu as a whole must respond as this would be an attack on a EU state and the Eu as a whole.

At that time, appeasement along the lines of piece in our time is probably doomed to fail, and a military intervention would be required. Without this, Russia would possibly look to reclaim the whole of the former Soviet Block on a piece by piece basis, as they would (rightly?) believe that the EU and others are not prepared to use force.

This would place the peace of Europe at its highest threat since probably the Cuban missile crisis.

Worrying times

 

[GT49er]

Unfortunately the worry has to be that the current conflict and the attitude of Russia goes beyond a cold war. If, as has suggested in some news reports, that Russia uses the same tactics from the Ukraine in any of the Baltic states, then the Eu as a whole must respond as this would be an attack on a EU state and the Eu as a whole.

At that time, appeasement along the lines of piece in our time is probably doomed to fail, and a military intervention would be required. Without this, Russia would possibly look to reclaim the whole of the former Soviet Block on a piece by piece basis, as they would (rightly?) believe that the EU and others are not prepared to use force.

This would place the peace of Europe at its highest threat since probably the Cuban missile crisis.

Worrying times

Agree with all of this. Very worrying times.

 

[User removed 4]

And there are people on here that have advocated that we give up our nuclear weapons, because being held to ransom by putin is such an attractive proposition isnt it ?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Unfortunately the worry has to be that the current conflict and the attitude of Russia goes beyond a cold war. If, as has suggested in some news reports, that Russia uses the same tactics from the Ukraine in any of the Baltic states, then the Eu as a whole must respond as this would be an attack on a EU state and the Eu as a whole.

At that time, appeasement along the lines of piece in our time is probably doomed to fail, and a military intervention would be required. Without this, Russia would possibly look to reclaim the whole of the former Soviet Block on a piece by piece basis, as they would (rightly?) believe that the EU and others are not prepared to use force.

This would place the peace of Europe at its highest threat since probably the Cuban missile crisis.

Worrying times

Very worrying.

If Putin sends his little green men across the river to Narva in Estonia, then we are technically at war with him.


So he must be convinced beforehand that this is not something he should instigate.

 

[Hyperion]

Amazing that the Russians are taking exception to Michael Fallons comments. Right, so it was okay to send Russian Bombers over here then knowing full well it would get a response.

They are, like has been said testing the water and currently, I can't see that ending diplomatically

 

[Barham's tash]

It's ok though because the Home guard can protect us.... Not even sure that the British Army is even an army at <100k regulars.

It's an interesting dichotemy for NATO et al as this sabre rattling is in direct response to the sanctions imposed on Russia because of the Ukraine/Crimea issue. I think we could easily see an increase in the number of deployed US troops in the UK if things deteriorate sufficiently which would massively p*** of the Great Bear and then bingo Cold War II - the new batch.

Worrying but ultimately much more interesting times.

 

[GreersElbow]

Unfortunately the worry has to be that the current conflict and the attitude of Russia goes beyond a cold war. If, as has suggested in some news reports, that Russia uses the same tactics from the Ukraine in any of the Baltic states, then the Eu as a whole must respond as this would be an attack on a EU state and the Eu as a whole.

At that time, appeasement along the lines of piece in our time is probably doomed to fail, and a military intervention would be required. Without this, Russia would possibly look to reclaim the whole of the former Soviet Block on a piece by piece basis, as they would (rightly?) believe that the EU and others are not prepared to use force.

This would place the peace of Europe at its highest threat since probably the Cuban missile crisis.

Worrying times

Unfortunately, the EU doesn't have a mutual defence agreement. It is in principle, but nothing to support it. The passive German foreign policy has been a detrimental factor to this crisis, combined with their reliance on Russian gas, Russia has all the leverage it needs.

You are right that the EU must respond as one, but it's unlikely. They can't even agree on appropriate monetary policy...let alone defence.

Of course, hypothetically speaking, if we did end up in a war with Russia, nuclear bombs would almost certainly be used.

To help us imagine what kind of destruction that would be caused, someone has created an interactive map. It seems that if London was nuked, we'd be OK on the South Coast.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Doubt they would be, Mustafa. Remember the wars between Pakistan and India? Both nuclear armed, allow geographically speaking a nuke from Pakistan to India would essentially be nuking itself. I can't see them being used. Nukes are a very, very good detterence. With NATO's mutual defence agreement, I think Russia wouldn't dare. That wouldn't say they'd roll out equally as nasty weaponry.


However, Mustafa what is your tone on this? As historically, you had been quick to blame the West. Though you appear to have rolled this back. Have you come to realise that Russia has been the aggressor in this circumstance

 

[franks brother]

http://www.inquisitr.com/1744293/vl...russias-nuclear-weapons-defenses-near-europe/

 

[User removed 4]

its also to do with the price of oil going through the floor , the russians are effectively potless because of it.

 

[Hyperion]

Of course, hypothetically speaking, if we did end up in a war with Russia, nuclear bombs would almost certainly be used.

To help us imagine what kind of destruction that would be caused, someone has created an interactive map. It seems that if London was nuked, we'd be OK on the South Coast.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

I am not sure the capital city of our country being nuked is anywhere near to be considered "Ok". ......on the plus side Croydon will be vastly improved

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I am not sure the capital city of our country being nuked is anywhere near to be considered "Ok". ......on the plus side Croydon will be vastly improved

London and Paris are probably the last 2 European cities Putin would nuke, as that would mean Moscow being reduced to dust. I think he'd settle for a city in a country which didn't have the ability to strike back.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

You'd like to think that Europe had advanced beyond the stage of this kind of shit by now. Obviously not.

 

[Hyperion]

London and Paris are probably the last 2 European cities Putin would nuke, as that would mean Moscow being reduced to dust. I think he'd settle for a city in a country which didn't have the ability to strike back.

That's a fair point

 

[Icy Gull]

You'd like to think that Europe had advanced beyond the stage of this kind of shit by now. Obviously not.

Just takes the one slightly unhinged megalomaniac unfortunately.

 

[Danny-Boy]

Unfortunately the worry has to be that the current conflict and the attitude of Russia goes beyond a cold war. If, as has suggested in some news reports, that Russia uses the same tactics from the Ukraine in any of the Baltic states, then the Eu as a whole must respond as this would be an attack on a EU state and the Eu as a whole.

At that time, appeasement along the lines of piece in our time is probably doomed to fail, and a military intervention would be required. Without this, Russia would possibly look to reclaim the whole of the former Soviet Block on a piece by piece basis, as they would (rightly?) believe that the EU and others are not prepared to use force.

This would place the peace of Europe at its highest threat since probably the Cuban missile crisis.

Worrying times

Indeed. Strategically the Baltic States are isolated. Can't see Finland helping that much either.

THe railways are still a strategic weapon, not sure but I think Latvia Lithuania and Estonia are still on the Russian gauge of 5' rather than Western Europe's 4'8 and half" (1524 against 1435mm.)