Cocaine why do people do it?

[Albion Rob]

Surely it's about personal choice though?

For some people, football hooliganism is the way, for others drinking themselves to oblivion and for other it's drugs.

My view of drugs is thast the trick is rationalising them and knowing when to stop.

For every action there is a reaction. If you want to go out and get messy on a Saturday night then you need to be prepared to pay the price on the Monday or Tuesday of the following week and keep your mind focused that as Saturday was a drug-induced high, this is now a drug-induced low.

Knowing when to stop forms the second part. If it looks like it's going to get too much then removing oneself from such situations for a couple of weeks is advisable as it will then promote the clarity of thought for what to do next.

Studies have shown that, socially, cocaine use need not be a problem. Those who have 'a stake in society' ie jobs and houses to hold down, girlfrinds, kids etc are in many cases able to use without it ever becoming a problem.

However, like with most things in life, some people begin in that situatuion and it rapidly deteriorates and they exhibit the signs of chaotic users - stealing, lying etc. But this could also be said for people who drink alcohol, gamble and the like can often find themselves in the same situation.

I don't know enough about the physical effects of cocaine to be able to say much about it. Maybe it is worth thinking of a line as perhaps the equivalent to four pints of lager. Therefore the more you do, inevitabley the more damage it does but it is an economy of scale in theat respect.

At the end of the day, people make their own choices for wahtever reason and someone who drinks themself to a stupor every time they are out must surely be placing themself in the same danger as someone who does cocaine.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I said I was not perfect but this was over 12 years ago that I seriously gave up, and I still here of people I used to know taking Cocaine on a regualar basis these days.

Fine, people are free to do what they want with their life, however its a bit sad when these people I used to know still need to take a line of powder every weekend. For fucks sake get on your bike and take some exercise.

I have seen what Cocaine does to people as well, it has the same effect as speed where people immediately become your best buddy and people generally talk about a load of shit. Its all BULLSHIT, because once you come down your not interested in talking to these people or you wondered why you did what you did?

I also consider Cocaine a very seedy drug. I am scared for todays users, not only can it lead to heart attacks in later life I also think it can cause strokes and it 100% definately causes depression.

I know where you're coming from, but there is an awful lot of stereotyping going on there. I think you are forming an opinion of your frends based on these stereotypes. I understand that if you go out with your friends and they are all coked up and you are straight then you will be on a completely different level to them, and that can be pretty shit, but it's the same with any drug. If that's the case just explain that point without being judgemental about their habit and i'm sure they'll understand, most people who use drugs will have been in that situation at some point.
Just socialise with them when they're not doing it, no one can keep it up 24/7.
It's nothing like speed by the way, i'd say it's at the opposite end of the scale. And your point on talking shit, well that's down to the individual. It works both ways, i've sat there with my best mate on a session that's run well into the next day and had conversations about our lives and problems and felt alot better for it afterwards.

 

[Les Biehn]

Beer is my only drug. I certainly haven't got a problem with others doing stuff though. My problem is people tend to act like xxxxx on cocaine.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Tried it once - a couple of lines were given as a present from an ex-friend who is likely to become a female Tory MP at the next election. Awful woman. Anyway, enjoyed it a little bit but the most notable thing about it was how quickly any effects wore off, hence I guess it's ability to create habits.

Same old rule as ever really: try everything but do it all in moderation. Except the birds, obviously - never be moderate there.

 

[Dandyman]

Tried it once - a couple of lines were given as a present from an ex-friend who is likely to become a female Tory MP at the next election. Awful woman.

The hotline number for the NOTW is...

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I don't like coke - turns me into a tosser and a horrid comedown.
I don't like weed - makes me fall asleep and vomit
I don't like acid - when crossing a road takes an hour - that's bad shit.
I don't like mushrooms - nearly killing myslef was enough of a turn off.
I don't like speed - come down is a proper arse

Always liked E's though.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Tried it once - enjoyed it a little bit but the most notable thing about it was how quickly any effects wore off, hence I guess it's ability to create habits.

Nail on the head, there, MoH. You're always chasing the high on coke. I've been climbing walls (metaphorically speaking) to top-up that high before now, cos each one doesn't really last that long, hence you can get through a gram or two pretty quick with a group of mates and then end up gagging for more. Occasional use, fairplay imo, but I wouldn't like to do it every day / weekend, cos I could see it becoming an expensive problem.

Saying that, though, there's nothing like that semi-euphoric state of being nicely pissed, where you feel you have to keep on with that too. I, for one, do have an addictive personality, and I find it hard to stick to a solitary glass of wine. It's got to be a bottle.

Not sure what medical stats are, but booze and fags are the biggest killers / most dangerous drugs out there. If they were invented today, they'd be class As for sure. Booze and domestics. My god, it fucks up more people than anything else.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Why do people do any kind of drugs. Not just the fact that it is a selfish habit, and you could very well end up hurting many people, you are also supporting the industry as a whole, which consist of crime, murder, oppression that strikes fear into and holds back many countries.

 

[Lokki 7]

People who point out the dangers of cocaine are absolutely right. And yes it can turn you into an absolute arse and yes the come down can be horrible and yes it drains your finances. All true. What annoys me is that people who preach this the loudest are often people who see nothing wrong with going out twice a week and getting bladdered on alcohol. Drunks are probably a lot more destructive in terms of fighting, vandalism and dangerous driving. The effect on health from heavy use of both is severe, and the emotional downside is probably similar in both cases.
As far as I can tell abuse of both is pretty much the same, it's just that drinking is much more socially acceptable. I've never seen a thread entitled "why do people drink alcohol".

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I get drunk but I am very anti drugs. My gripe with drugs is the crime that comes hand in hand with drugs. I.e. Organised cartels, Afghanistani gangsters and their poppy field etc.

True Alcohol is very destructive and costs our country far more than drugs (I would guess) but then I don't cause criminal damage or mayhem when I am drunk.

 

[Lokki 7]

I get drunk but I am very anti drugs. My gripe with drugs is the crime that comes hand in hand with drugs. I.e. Organised cartels, Afghanistani gangsters and their poppy field etc.

Well if you legalise drugs and you get a safer product, industry regulation, better education, enormous tax revenues and you push out the criminals. I'm not saying it's the answer but it certainly is worth debating, a pity it is political suicide.
Also, clear the Afghan poppy fields and you remove the income of a very poor nation. What do you replace it with? The gangsters and warlords will survive, its the average farmer that suffers.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

At the same time, drugs are also the livelihood of thousands worldwide, opium farmers etc etc.

That's no excuse for me doing them, and certainly does not excuse the crime etc you talk about, but some drugs do feed families.

I still say alcohol is far more dangerous, because it is so socially acceptable.

 

[blockhseagull]

And people eye up your girlfriend when you are going for a sniff.......

So bristolseagull told me !!!

 

[eastlondonseagull]

And people eye up your girlfriend when you are going for a sniff.......

So bristolseagull told me !!!

Now that IS dangerous

 

[Man of Harveys]

Now that IS dangerous

and addictive (we assume)

 

[blockhseagull]

Shhhh

Don't talk about it he might be reading

 

[Albion Rob]

Imagine if it was legalised.

People racking up lines on the tables of pubs having secured a fivers worth over the counter.

Imagine the arguments over whose soaking wet pint glass had drenched the table and was currently melting the cocaine on the table!

Imagine the amount people would be drinking as instead of feeling tired they actually felt like drinking more!

Imagine the billions of pounds that would pour into the pockets of the government to fund treatment and education rather than it funding luxury holidays and expensive clothes for criminals.

Don't be fooled, it's smokers who pay for the NHS through the taxes on fags. Drugs would be likely be the same but as stated it would be political suicide.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Well if you legalise drugs and you get a safer product, industry regulation, better education, enormous tax revenues and you push out the criminals. I'm not saying it's the answer but it certainly is worth debating, a pity it is political suicide.
Also, clear the Afghan poppy fields and you remove the income of a very poor nation. What do you replace it with? The gangsters and warlords will survive, its the average farmer that suffers.

Very true. There has to be some sort of control, yet these issues are always pushed aside, with an unmovable stance from authorities. There will always be drugs, and it is a question of controlling them, you are right Lokki. But then you move onto the various types of drugs. Ecstacy, heroin etc. which are far more harmful that the alternative drugs.

I am sure I read that the majority of the Afghan farmers would make just as much money from alternative crops, and the warlords take the majority of the profits. It is just that they are, in effect forced to farm poppies.

The push for worldwide bans on smoking, with an effort to phase it out is also a burning issue. I spent some time in Malawi and the majority of the country rely on the tabacco industry as their main income, without this they would be even poorer than they already are (8th poorestin the world).

Many knockon effects that have to be considered, but I do agree with you.

I didn't mean to come across as being holier than thou, I smoked a fair bit of mariajuana in Ecuador, for my sins.

 

[Lokki 7]

I'm just trying to balance the argument as these discussions often get very one sided and emotive. Unfortunately (as you point out with tobacco) these are very complex issues and not black and white.

("burning issue" )

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I'm just trying to balance the argument as these discussions often get very one sided and emotive. Unfortunately (as you point out with tobacco) these are very complex issues and not black and white.

("burning issue" )

I thought that was a good one.

I don't think there is a right answer to this conundrum. If there was, then surely they would have done something about it.

Good plan on balancing the argument, sometimes they can be very one sided on NSC.