[Football] Clubs to Vote on VAR removal

[Clive Walker]

No they can’t

Yes they can.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Too many seeking perfection and it doesn’t exist. never has and never can. Therefore let’s allow human errors on the pitch rather than replacing them with ones off it plus killing the golden moment when a goal is scored.

If the refs were vaguely competent then you would have a point. They’re not and the reason var came in was because of the weekly f*** ups made by refs. VAR isn’t the problem … it’s the criminally incompetent refs, who manage, with depressing monotony to get it wrong. IF YOU CANT WORK VAR THEN YOU ARE’T FIT TO REFEREE.
we are trying to fix the wrong problem.

 

[¡Cereal Killer!]

Offsides take too long and unreliable due to poor camera positions, it's a shame the semi automatic system won't be in place for the start of next season.
I still think a limited appeal system should be trialed and VAR should only step in for serious foul play or if the referee hasn't seen an incident for whatever reason.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Anyone want to change their opinion now? We were saved from another Salisbury disaster... by VAR.

Nope. I still say as I have always said - keep VAR. It works for smaller clubs to keep big club bias at bay. Just needs to be used properly. At the moment, we have quasi got rid of VAR. Which means they have raised the bar to a point that they leave some bad errors corrected. Get rid of VAR and all the errors will be uncorrected, yet still recorded by 30 odd Sky cameras and pointed out by umpteen pundits post match. Getting rid is a terrible idea. Getting right is the answer.

 

[Justice]

To cut a long thread short, we all know that it’s inexplicable that anyone wants to keep VAR.

For this reason, you just know a majority will vote to retain.

I watched Middlesbrough v Dirty Leeds a few weeks ago, the winning goal was miles offside. Do we want to go back to those type of decisions? Refs giving pens because players like Harry Kane wants one?
I think VAR could possibly work fine if it wasn’t work mates in Stockley Park.

 

[drew]

Yes they can.

I'm not sure he is right though. The premier league is run and owned by the 20 member clubs and they can vote for what they like. I think the only authority that can over ride that is the FA who have a 'golden share' which they can use if they feel there is a decision they believe is not in the interests of the game. I will cede to Henry Winter if he can point to the rules of the premier league that state a individual, for example Masters, can over ride the decisions of the owners of the league!!!

 

[T.G]

Funnily enough, VAR helped us tonight, with No penalty, and a disallowed goal, both for Chelsea.

Even after that, get rid until our referees can handle it like the Euros and World Cup.
Howard Webb has been useless.

The ref disallowed the goal I think? However the penalty that was over-turned was a howler!!

 

[US Seagull]

It's easy to say the refs are incompetent and should all be replaced by better ones, but I can't help but notice that nobody seems to have a suggestion on how you'd achieve that? Who would even want to be a referee in this climate?

I fear if you get too aggressive with demoting or otherwise punishing refs, pretty soon we'd have no refs at all.

Maybe it needs massive investment in training refs and paying them enough to make it worth it. Also ensuring they are protected from abuse.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Funnily enough, VAR helped us tonight, with No penalty, and a disallowed goal, both for Chelsea.

Even after that, get rid until our referees can handle it like the Euros and World Cup.
Howard Webb has been useless.

I don't think it had any bearing on the match really. They scored pretty soon after the penalty anyway, so the game would just have gone into the 0-1 pattern a little earlier. Their disallowed goal was disallowed on the pitch, so no change there. Then the James kick out - the ref saw it, im sure, and was right in front of the fourth ref - almost certainly without VAR they'd have got together and sent him off, just last night they deferred the decision to VAR.

There was an incorrect offside but Chelsea messed up the chance.

 

[Casper18]

This is probably the only way for Man Ure to challenge for titles again, by getting rid of VAR.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Won’t happen, but would love it if it did….

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm not sure he is right though. The premier league is run and owned by the 20 member clubs and they can vote for what they like. I think the only authority that can over ride that is the FA who have a 'golden share' which they can use if they feel there is a decision they believe is not in the interests of the game. I will cede to Henry Winter if he can point to the rules of the premier league that state an individual, for example Masters, can over ride the decisions of the owners of the league!!!

This. Winter MAY know better but my understanding is the same as this post.

 

[ROSM]

I don't think it had any bearing on the match really. They scored pretty soon after the penalty anyway, so the game would just have gone into the 0-1 pattern a little earlier. Their disallowed goal was disallowed on the pitch, so no change there. Then the James kick out - the ref saw it, im sure, and was right in front of the fourth ref - almost certainly without VAR they'd have got together and sent him off, just last night they deferred the decision to VAR.

There was an incorrect offside but Chelsea messed up the chance.

What people are ignoring is that var has made the standard of on field officiating even worse. There is next to no way pre 2019 that cucurella would have been awarded that penalty. Whereas adingra's would most likely have been. But Gillett, Salisbury et Al have joined a bloated group of sub standard officials and brought everybody down to their level of mediocrity.

When pat Nevin says there are now 'more right decisions' he is misreading stats to say just because var over rule or don't over rule then the final decision is correct. Very few decisions which are ostensibly judgemental get observed to see if they were right. For example offside leading to a goal is checked but the multiple bad decisions not leading to one aren't.

Sadly for the pgmol they screwed their chance with var and damaged (potentially irreversibly) what could, on the face of it, have been a useful system.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

What people are ignoring is that var has made the standard of on field officiating even worse. There is next to no way pre 2019 that cucurella would have been awarded that penalty. Whereas adingra's would most likely have been. But Gillett, Salisbury et Al have joined a bloated group of sub standard officials and brought everybody down to their level of mediocrity.

When pat Nevin says there are now 'more right decisions' he is misreading stats to say just because var over rule or don't over rule then the final decision is correct. Very few decisions which are ostensibly judgemental get observed to see if they were right. For example offside leading to a goal is checked but the multiple bad decisions not leading to one aren't.

Sadly for the pgmol they screwed their chance with var and damaged (potentially irreversibly) what could, on the face of it, have been a useful system.

Yep. The way i would do it is to get rid of the 'Stockley Park HQ' and officiate everything inside the stadium. The ref already consults with the linesmen when he wants to. He is already fitted with a mic and earpiece and talking to the 4th official. So just have that 4th official, who does next to nothing anyway, sitting in front of a TV screen and in constant comms with the ref. "You missed a handball there", " yard offside", "should be a corner, not a goalkick"- it would be so much quicker we would hardly notice it in the stands most of the time. Most importantly it allows the ref to initiate it - "I think the defender got the ball first but can you check that for me", "looked like a dive to me but can you make sure".

At the moment its so regimented - stop the play, get a hundred camera angles up, slow everything down, go to the screen, have a chat, takes forever. Every single TV viewer could see that Buonnaotte made a good tackle the first time we saw the replay, yet VAR had to watch it about ten times and then send Salisbury to the screen to do the same.

No, just keep the idea of a refereeing team at each stadium, just like we've always had, and equip then with a TV so they've got more tools at their disposal. Will still make mistakes, but less of them, and in realtime.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Even if 14 clubs vote to remove it the PL can override and simply keep it.

That’s not what Sky said earlier.

 

[southstandandy]

Eventually FIFA will eat itself.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

That 'penalty' last night illustrated the nonsense perfectly. Referee awards Chelsea a penalty. VAR whisper in his ear that they want to review it. Several minutes elapse. Finally they decide that they can't decide and send the referee over to the pitchside monitor to watch a replay. Another several minutes elapse, after which the referee overturns his original decision. OK it worked out in our favour in the end, but what a palaver! There has to be a better way

 

[Goldstone1976]

…Science has found a way to create warp drives that moves space around it…

Umm. Source?

The last time I looked at this topic, the closest we’d got was a theory (Alcubierre metric) that proposed a possible mechanism. However, it required the creation and manipulation of negative energy, with the most likely starting point being the manipulation of dark matter/energy.

I think you’ll find we’re some distance away from a warp drive. We have a highly speculative theory which relies on a highly speculative energy source derived from a source that we have not yet isolated.

 

[Screaming J]

It's not the technology that's the problem, it's the incompetent baboons that operate it. They're the problem.

 

[Blue3]

Would be wonderful if VAR was binned however I suspect it will undergo yet more fiddling and still be here next year,
VAR has become a cop out for referees into just not making decision's and just leave it to VAR combined with the linesmen not flagging for clearly offside which leaves players particularly defenders who then race back potentially pulling a fetlock