Club size potential by catchment area?

[SK1NT]

This is simply not true. The average household income in Reading is one third higher than in the Brighton area. We are just about the national average. House prices should be lower. It is the Londoners making the house prices inflated above their real worth.

Reading isn't a poor area though

Let me take you by the hand and lead you through the streets of brighton,i'll show you something that will make you change your mind

let me take you by the hand and walk you around areas of sw london you patronising git... ofcourse there are poor areas everywhere.... however u think brighton is poorer as a city than leeds, bradford, oldham, middlebrough etc....

 

[SK1NT]

Let me take you by the hand and lead you through the streets of brighton,i'll show you something that will make you change your mind

You must besome middle class snob to think Brighton has poverty issues....

 

[Return of the Rev]

You must besome middle class snob to think Brighton has poverty issues....

upper west middle class don't you know

 

[Triggaaar]

Commercial organisations eg big employers or retail chains making investment decisions will look at transport catchments eg population within a 30 minute or 60 minute drive time as a key indicator. Now Brighton has the small matter of the sea on one side so this limits the catchment in time/distance compared with a classic radial city like Leeds. This is why John Lewis has always resisted coming to Brighton. The other factor is competition, and that of course is where Brighton scores better in football terms. The simplest model is a gravity model which measures the relative 'pull' of attractiveness as related directly to size (population) and distance (or travel time).

There's good points there.

Taking it down to the next level, the make-up of population is a factor. The Brighton urban area (esp West of the city) has a higher elderly population, and a high proportion of students living away from home. For different reasons each are likely to have a lower propensity to attend matches.

And good points there (I feel a song coming on).

Given that it is accessibility that is as important than proximity in these models, there is an argument to say that in expanding the capacity at Falmer, the club should be doing more to improve transport access. This is not just to appease existing fans but to make it easier to attract more fans from further away. As far as I can see from the planning application, they are trying to get away with doing very little.

And I like what you've put here. Now write to the club, maybe get a petition first.

 

[seagullondon]

upper west middle class don't you know

rev this man clearly has a pair of these on everywhere he walks

 

[Triggaaar]

I think this thread has largely debunked any lingering myth that we are a potentially big club because of our purported large catchment area. There are so many other factors that trump 'large catchment area' as a factor.

Potentially big may be overdoing it. Exactly what potential is the question (you may answer that below). Our catchment area isn't that large (for example, with so many London teams with a larger catchment area), but it's a reasonable size.

 

[perseus]

Reading isn't a poor area though



let me take you by the hand and walk you around areas of sw london you patronising git... ofcourse there are poor areas everywhere.... however u think brighton is poorer as a city than leeds, bradford, oldham, middlebrough etc....

Reading is a rich area. To be out of work in a rich area is worse though.

Hull is a poor area. I am going by household income.

I could not find the stats but:

Brighton property | Planet Property

 

[Triggaaar]

I could not find the stats but:

Brighton property | Planet Property

Bizarre read

 

[Uter]

If you were to define our catchment area as the boroughs served by Seagulls Travel then the combined population of this area is nearly 2.3 million.

 

[Albumen]

Well I did take quite a blow to the head

I hope you're feeling better

 

[JJB]

This was done a couple of weeks back and it was established on the South Coast Southampton's Catchment was far superior to everyone else. Followed by Brighton, Skates and then B'muff.

 

[We're the Stripes]

This was done a couple of weeks back and it was established on the South Coast Southampton's Catchment was far superior to everyone else. Followed by Brighton, Skates and then B'muff.

How was it established, then?

 

[JJB]

How was it established, then?

Saint's catchment Area, as a box - From Poole, North to Westbury, East to Baisingstoke and South to Fareham.

 

[perseus]

This was done a couple of weeks back and it was established on the South Coast Southampton's Catchment was far superior to everyone else. Followed by Brighton, Skates and then B'muff.

Let them keep their illusions. Southampton's catchment population is about 5% greater (my research) than the Sussex area around Brighton (1 million). Otherwise the order is right. Cardiff is about 60% greater though.

 

[DT Withdean]

Pop'n of Sussex is 1.548m.

Take away:
So called Pompey area - Chichester
Crawley & East Grinstead - for Crawley FC & London clubs
Rye & Crowborough - just too far

And the catchment is still well over 1m.

Which is far, far greater, for example, than:
Southampton with Eastleigh, Ringwood, Winchester
or
Pompey with Havant, Waterlooville, Fareham, Gosport, Chichester, Bognor, Porchester
or
Norwich - Norfolk
or
Ipswich - Suffolk

 

[DT Withdean]

Saint's catchment Area, as a box - From Poole, North to Westbury, East to Baisingstoke and South to Fareham.

Fareham = Pompey conurbation & tons of Pompey shirts.

Poole well into B'mouth area.

Basinstoke - how many fans travel that journey? 30 minutes to Reading's stadium, 1 hour to the souless bowl St.M.

 

[Bry Nylon]

All this notional stuff about catchment areas and population levels etc is rubbish, in my view. Brighton has never really been a 'football' town and the demographics of the city and the surrounding area suggest that it probably never will be.

 

[JJB]

Fareham = Pompey conurbation & tons of Pompey shirts.

Poole well into B'mouth area.

Basinstoke - how many fans travel that journey? 30 minutes to Reading's stadium, 1 hour to the souless bowl St.M.

Fareham - 50/50
Bournemouth/Poole - Many more saints fans that B'muff
Basingstoke - Many a saints fan get on the train at Basingstoke from past experiences.


From us being in the Prem for so long we've established a much larger catchment area.

 

[Triggaaar]

This was done a couple of weeks back and it was established on the South Coast Southampton's Catchment was far superior to everyone else.

How was it established, then?

Saint's catchment Area, as a box - From Poole, North to Westbury, East to Baisingstoke and South to Fareham.

A box. That's hardly establishing numbers for each club is it. And Poole is Bournemouth's catchment area, regardless of whether you have more fans there at the moment.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

All this notional stuff about catchment areas and population levels etc is rubbish, in my view. Brighton has never really been a 'football' town and the demographics of the city and the surrounding area suggest that it probably never will be.

Exactly. The fact that Sussex has just two League clubs (and just one for a very long time until this season) is probably not a strength, but perhaps indicative of the fact that Sussex is not a football hotbed to draw crowds from in the same way that, say, Lancashire is.