[Albion] Club "investigating" dedicated train service to Manchester

[Brovion]

They certainly were.

I'm sure Sunderland in 77/78/79(?) was about a tenner.

Mind you we did miss te kick off and go in the wrong end!

Pretty sure up unitl 1979 they were only about £5 tops. Don't forget the admission was only about £1-£2 too. Ah, those were the days.

I remember the Seagulls train back from Newcastle in 1979 after our promotion.... awash with alcohol and that was just the players!

Indeed! The fantastic exception to the rule. Mike Bamber gave us all free champagne and the players were only too happy to share their booze as well. A truly great day.

 

[Superphil]

Euston to Manchester return, with railcards, generally around £35 if bought with Advance fares, so the only reason to use this service would be to avoid the hassle at Euston there will be that day with Palace at Liverpool for a 3pm kick off the same day! But no booze on the train means its a no no for me

What railcards can you use on London to Manchester train fares?

 

[atfc village]

What railcards can you use on London to Manchester train fares?

Two together Railcard ,YP ,Student Rail Card.

 

[Insel affe]

YP ,Student Rail Card.

he wishes, I think Superphil is more interested in

https://www.senior-railcard.co.uk/?...5aUv16XM8mFQyxF6s4hoCUvEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

"Supporters are advised that alcohol will not be permitted on the train, in accordance with legislation."

What's the point in getting a train to an away match if you can't have train beers?

Maybe I’m being a bit dim, but what legislation prohibits beers on trains? I’ve been on numerous trains and drank my own booze and also bought booze from the buffet. I’ve never had any issue.

 

[atfc village]

he wishes, I think Superphil is more interested in

https://www.senior-railcard.co.uk/?...5aUv16XM8mFQyxF6s4hoCUvEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Oi i'm not that old

 

[Ernest]

As the train pulls into Manchester about 4pm...'We apologise for the delay'

 

[Insel affe]

Maybe I’m being a bit dim, but what legislation prohibits beers on trains? I’ve been on numerous trains and drank my own booze and also bought booze from the buffet. I’ve never had any issue.

This, and all over Europe you can still get served after 11pm on the train.

It kind of implies that Brighton do not trust their own supporters, however probably just a stipulation enforced by the train company if your renting a train, which what they are doing.

You should be at least be able to drink on the bus for the rail replacement section between Brighton & Crewe

 

[The Large One]

Section 1(1) of the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol) Act 1985, as amended by the Public Order Act 1986,

1 Offences in connection with alcohol on coaches and trains.

(1)This section applies to a vehicle which
(a) is a public service vehicle or railway passenger vehicle, and
(b) is being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event.

etc.

Maybe I’m being a bit dim, but what legislation prohibits beers on trains? I’ve been on numerous trains and drank my own booze and also bought booze from the buffet. I’ve never had any issue.

If you see the quote from Bozza's post above, it states "being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event."

A regular train service doesn't have that purpose. It was going from A to B anyway, and just so happened to be carrying footy / rugby / cricket supporters. A chartered train, on the other hand, does serve that purpose.

 

[chimneys]

Maybe I’m being a bit dim, but what legislation prohibits beers on trains? I’ve been on numerous trains and drank my own booze and also bought booze from the buffet. I’ve never had any issue.

This is the critical bit:

(1)This section applies to a vehicle which
(a) is a public service vehicle or railway passenger vehicle, and
(b) is being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event.

Obviously normal scheduled trains are not being used for the principal purpose of carrying footie fans, although it might seem like it on a Saturday, so the ban on alcohol doesn't apply.

There are very few special trains these days, so really only coach/minibus fans (and those going to Manchester on this train) who get penalised. A 1970s rule way out of date in 2018.

 

[Notters]

If you see the quote from Bozza's post above, it states "being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event."

A regular train service doesn't have that purpose. It was going from A to B anyway, and just so happened to be carrying footy / rugby / cricket supporters. A chartered train, on the other hand, does serve that purpose.

So in other words, the club should hire trains to Manchester or wherever with three carriages for wives/daughters/girlfriends on a shopping trip and the other two for the rest of us on a piss up?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Fair enough. I’d never come across this ludicrous piece of legislation before.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If you see the quote from Bozza's post above, it states "being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event."

A regular train service doesn't have that purpose. It was going from A to B anyway, and just so happened to be carrying footy / rugby / cricket supporters. A chartered train, on the other hand, does serve that purpose.

So, sipping a beer on a regular train is fine. Sipping a beer on a train undertaking the exact same journey albeit for specific clientele is illegal. Stupid.

 

[chimneys]

So, sipping a beer on a regular train is fine. Sipping a beer on a train undertaking the exact same journey albeit for specific clientele is illegal. Stupid.

Yep, and as I said, a 1970s rule way out of date in 2018.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So, sipping a beer on a regular train is fine. Sipping a beer on a train undertaking the exact same journey albeit for specific clientele is illegal. Stupid.

Blame all those football hooligans and Margaret Thatcher. Football fans are criminals and must be treated as such especially on coaches and chartered trains.



The above post may contain irony.

 

[Brovion]

So, sipping a beer on a regular train is fine. Sipping a beer on a train undertaking the exact same journey albeit for specific clientele is illegal. Stupid.

Yes. The same as drinking a beer whilst sitting in your seat to watch a team sporting event where the players mainly throw the ball to each other - fine. Doing the same thing for a sporting event where the players mainly kick the ball - ILLEGAL!

 

[The Large One]

So, sipping a beer on a regular train is fine. Sipping a beer on a train undertaking the exact same journey albeit for specific clientele is illegal. Stupid.

That's the way football fans are treated in this country.

You can drink yourself silly in the pubs before the game, and in the concourses at the Amex. But as soon as you see the big green field in front of you, it's verboten. Not an issue in rugby and cricket of course...

Same with corporate Johnnies at footy. The curtains are closed between the restaurant and the pitch view on matchdays.

 

[Bozza]

Fair enough. I’d never come across this ludicrous piece of legislation before.

Probably because you've never travelled on an organised coach to a game. Anyone who has, and likes a drink, will be well aware - it's been the case for a long, long time. (They'll also be experts in making up their own bottles of "soft drink" before they leave home)

As football special trains are so few and far between then the law won't have impacted many rail travellers.

 

[Bozza]

Same with corporate Johnnies at footy. The curtains are closed between the restaurant and the pitch view on matchdays.

Although in my experience, which I'll admit is not vast, a blind eye is turned to corporate Johnnies pouring their booze into a tea cup or coffee mug and taking it to their posh seat, including at the Amex.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes. The same as drinking a beer whilst sitting in your seat to watch a team sporting event where the players mainly throw the ball to each other - fine. Doing the same thing for a sporting event where the players mainly kick the ball - ILLEGAL!

To be fair, I don’t have an issue with this as it stops people making me stand up to let them through to buy another beer/have a piss every 5 seconds.