Chris Hughton says club will not panic in transfer window

[Deleted member 2719]

He's had one and a bit windows.

The club progressed when we had stability at the top.

So how much more money do you think he should be able to spend to get us straight promotion

 

[El Presidente]

So how much more money do you think he should be able to spend to get us straight promotion

That's Tony Bloom's decision, it's his money, not 'ours'.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

That's Tony Bloom's decision, it's his money, not 'ours'.

To get us in the top 2 we must be looking at 7 mil plus, won't that smash the fair play ??

 

[El Presidente]

To get us in the top 2 we must be looking at 7 mil plus, won't that smash the fair play ??

Fulham spent £10.5 million on McCormack, Rovers spent £9 million on Rhodes. Where did it get them?

A £7m signing on a five year contract is £1.4 million a year. Add to that wages of (say) 25k a week and it works out at a cost of about £2,5 million a year.

FFP loss is £13 million, which is an approx accounting loss of £20 million. Last yr the Albion lost £10 million so 'could' double their losses and still remain within FFP.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Fulham spent £10.5 million on McCormack, Rovers spent £9 million on Rhodes. Where did it get them?

Ah so what your really saying is you agree with me it is too much of a gamble, so sit tight and hope the new guys and returning players sharpen up and hope that CH and CC can be more positive in getting players in the last third where we can change matches, and we can all be winners!

 

[atomised]

To get us in the top 2 we must be looking at 7 mil plus, won't that smash the fair play ??

You have to bear in mind that the transfer fee is divided across the length of the contract so 7 million over 4 years would be 1.75m per year unlesz ive understood it wrong

 

[KZNSeagull]

The club clearly have money to spend as evidenced by the South American saga's. All CH is saying is that we are not going to buy just anyone - we want quality, hence looking at South America as you tend to get more bang for your buck. Plenty of time left to get someone really good in....

 

[heathgate]

I have only read this thread headline..... my take is that PANIC is the way forward, because if you don't, we are doomed to mid table mediocrity or worse.

 

[portlock seagull]

I prefer lets panic stories. There was reason to panic before and there's reason to panic again. Besides a bit of panic won't harm. It can't be less effective than not panicking. Given they'll produce same result. Likely.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I prefer lets panic stories. There was reason to panic before and there's reason to panic again. Besides a bit of panic won't harm. It can't be less effective than not panicking. Given they'll produce same result. Likely.

Panic = someone like Leon Best or Billy Paynter vs waiting a bit, being patient and (hopefully) getting someone like one of the South Americans that we are after?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

It's good not have a manager who will panic.

16 days.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

You have to bear in mind that the transfer fee is divided across the length of the contract so 7 million over 4 years would be 1.75m per year unlesz ive understood it wrong

Is this locked / fixed?
For example, sign a player for £3m for a 3 year contract but in year one the player suffers a career ending injury - does the club still pay the last two x £1m installments?
Does insurance cover this maybe?

 

[DJ NOBO]

Fair enough not to panic, as panicking is by definition not a good thing.
But if the alternative is do nothing and hope for the best, or go for other champ teams cast offs, then there is not a cat in hell's chance of us going up.
Ultimately, to go up the chairman will have to take a big chance - sign big. Call if panicking if you like.....

 

[atomised]

Is this locked / fixed?
For example, sign a player for £3m for a 3 year contract but in year one the player suffers a career ending injury - does the club still pay the last two x £1m installments?
Does insurance cover this maybe?

Not sure. I would imagine insurance covers it if theres a career ending injury.
The fee isnt necessarily paid in installments. The spread across the length of the contract is an accounting one.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

If the club is, as seems, committed to adhering to FFP, then there is an extra £7,000,000 in the playing budget this season. Assuming that prior to this window we were still operating within the old budget, then £7,000,000 is the maximum amount available to invest in new players, including additional wages.

Assuming Anthony Knockaert was signed on a 3.5 year deal, cost £2,200,000 and is on circa £10,000 a week, then:
Fee £2.2m / 3.5 years = £628,571 per annum
Wage £10k x 52 = £520,000 per annum
Total burden per annum = £1,148,571

Leaving £5,851,429 in the kitty.

If the Jonathan Calleri and Miller Bolanos figures are accurate:

Jonathan Calleri
Fee £7m / 3.5 years = £2m per annum
Wage £14k x 52 weeks = £728k per annum
Total burden per annum = £2,728,000

Leaving £3,123,429 in the kitty

Miller Bolanos
Fee £8m / 3.5 years = £2,285,714 per annum
Wages £15k x 52 weeks = £780k per annum
Total burden per annum = £3,065,714

Leaving £57,715 in the kitty

It is feasible, although unlikely, that we are in fact in for both players, Calleri up top with Bolanos to play off or just behind him in a 442 or 4411 formation.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

If the club is, as seems, committed to adhering to FFP, then there is an extra £7,000,000 in the playing budget this season. Assuming that prior to this window we were still operating within the old budget, then £7,000,000 is the maximum amount available to invest in new players, including additional wages.

Assuming Anthony Knockaert was signed on a 3.5 year deal, cost £2,200,000 and is on circa £10,000 a week, then:
Fee £2.2m / 3.5 years = £628,571 per annum
Wage £10k x 52 = £520,000 per annum
Total burden per annum = £1,148,571

Leaving £5,851,429 in the kitty.

If the Jonathan Calleri and Miller Bolanos figures are accurate:

Jonathan Calleri
Fee £7m / 3.5 years = £2m per annum
Wage £14k x 52 weeks = £728k per annum
Total burden per annum = £2,728,000

Leaving £3,123,429 in the kitty

Miller Bolanos
Fee £8m / 3.5 years = £2,285,714 per annum
Wages £15k x 52 weeks = £780k per annum
Total burden per annum = £3,065,714

Leaving £57,715 in the kitty

It is feasible, although unlikely, that we are in fact in for both players, Calleri up top with Bolanos to play off or just behind him in a 442 or 4411 formation.

Oh I hope so.

But that is tight for FFP. Maybe we are looking at a fee from an outgoing transfer ( Baldock, Ince or Dunk, I'd guess ) to make the finance less borderline

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Is this locked / fixed?
For example, sign a player for £3m for a 3 year contract but in year one the player suffers a career ending injury - does the club still pay the last two x £1m installments?
Does insurance cover this maybe?

The fee may be paid in full at the time of joining, but there are other costs too, such as wages
For accountancy reasons, amortisation is used and the total cost is spread over the whole of the players contract.

http://www.postmatch.org/17/calculating-the-real-cost-of-players/

 

[nwgull]

If the club is, as seems, committed to adhering to FFP, then there is an extra £7,000,000 in the playing budget this season. Assuming that prior to this window we were still operating within the old budget, then £7,000,000 is the maximum amount available to invest in new players, including additional wages.

Assuming Anthony Knockaert was signed on a 3.5 year deal, cost £2,200,000 and is on circa £10,000 a week, then:
Fee £2.2m / 3.5 years = £628,571 per annum
Wage £10k x 52 = £520,000 per annum
Total burden per annum = £1,148,571

Leaving £5,851,429 in the kitty.

If the Jonathan Calleri and Miller Bolanos figures are accurate:

Jonathan Calleri
Fee £7m / 3.5 years = £2m per annum
Wage £14k x 52 weeks = £728k per annum
Total burden per annum = £2,728,000

Leaving £3,123,429 in the kitty

Miller Bolanos
Fee £8m / 3.5 years = £2,285,714 per annum
Wages £15k x 52 weeks = £780k per annum
Total burden per annum = £3,065,714

Leaving £57,715 in the kitty

It is feasible, although unlikely, that we are in fact in for both players, Calleri up top with Bolanos to play off or just behind him in a 442 or 4411 formation.

That all seems incredibly precise.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

That all seems incredibly precise.

Is there any doubt that he's ChaileyJem?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Fair enough not to panic, as panicking is by definition not a good thing.
But if the alternative is do nothing and hope for the best, or go for other champ teams cast offs, then there is not a cat in hell's chance of us going up.
Ultimately, to go up the chairman will have to take a big chance - sign big. Call if panicking if you like.....

There is a middle ground, the club could be trying very hard to land their preferred targets and they may still happen given time, but the target or the selling club arn't willing to go through with the deal just yet because they want to wait and see if a better offer comes along before committing and there isn't much a club can do to speed this up.

No club can force a player to join them or force another club to sell them a player so you could potentially try to 'go big' and try to sign every player (working your way through a list to find one or more that will sign) that will improve our squad and meet our needs and every one of them turns us down and panicking won't change this fact, it's not just the club who are responsible for players signing.

It's not like going to a supermarket and seeing a shelf after shelf full of top quality strikers and the club saying oh well, we can't be bothered to try to buy them until the last minute as they may get reduced to clear.

It's more like going into an auction for a famous artists masterpiece and trying to compete with all the other collectors looking to buy it too. The other buyers may have deeper pockets (PL money, parachute payments, etc) or are prepared to pay more than you value it to be worth to you or simply the owner decides to either put an exorbitant reserve price on it (kinda hoping no-one pays its) or decides not to sell for any price