[Albion] Chris hughton news conference

[DumLum]

We want more attacking football, we’re too defensive.

We play more attacking and lose - we want a new manager!

Go back to defensive and build again in the summer.

As it stands I think Chris is doing well with the team/budget we have, it’s only with investing in the squad we will improve.

The first few years was always going to be about consolidating.


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We haven't been more attacking though. That's just make believe from the happy clappers.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Not one player, anywhere in the world will want to play this style week in and week out. I'm trying to find reason why it is seen as a good tactic, but I cannot find one. The worse thing we do is lose possession so cheaply. This man stands out there on a training pitch with them 5 days a week and he cannot even get them to make a simple pass. Things are wrong.

He tries to reduce the game to a 20 minute mini game. Plays a low block for 70 minutes then brings on some pace in attack once he feels the opposition are fatigued and less dangerous.

There are 2 problems with this.

The 1st is the quality in the Premier league is so good you are unlikely to keep them out for 70 minutes. But, if you can keep the score down, you can at least claim to have been in the game against a good side. This is one of Chris's favourite post match comments.

The 2nd issue is that we pay to watch 90 minutes of football, to deliberately try to shut the game down every match is not on. It's no wonder a large number of us are open to change.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

He tries to reduce the game to a 20 minute mini game. Plays a low block for 70 minutes then brings on some pace in attack once he feels the opposition are fatigued and less dangerous.

There are 2 problems with this.

The 1st is the quality in the Premier league is so good you are unlikely to keep them out for 70 minutes. But, if you can keep the score down, you can at least claim to have been in the game against a good side. This is one of Chris's favourite post match comments.

The 2nd issue is that we pay to watch 90 minutes of football, to deliberately try to shut the game down every match is not on. It's no wonder a large number of us are open to change.

And then you get people on here blaming anyone, everyone but CH. Players faults, recruitment fault, anything but the manager. The players we have brought in could be brilliant but we have no idea. They have to play a rigid anti football system so we never find out what they are capable of.

 

[piersa]

I didn't see it but i'll take a guess that he told us precisely nothing and was as dull as his tactics.

 

[SUA Seagull]

Not one player, anywhere in the world will want to play this style week in and week out. I'm trying to find reason why it is seen as a good tactic, but I cannot find one. The worse thing we do is lose possession so cheaply. This man stands out there on a training pitch with them 5 days a week and he cannot even get them to make a simple pass. Things are wrong.

I sense that a number of fans (even a lot of naysayers over CH's tactics) feel disloyal in criticising CH after all he’s done for the club (= a great deal in our most successful spell in decades), and that’s admirable. However, we are now in a nosedive which seemed unfathomable only a few months ago and CH has to assume his share of responsibility for the current situation. The stats are truly worrying; we haven’t scored a goal in 570 mins (…I almost forgot the extra time at Millwall!) and we’ve only had 7 shots on target in the last 6 games, including 0 at Wolves.

Although we doggedly earned a point there with some sterling defending and top-class goalkeeping, once again we gave away the ball too cheaply far too often and were mightily lucky that Wolves hit the woodwork twice, failed to capitalise on their 68% possession and were unable to convert any of their 23 goalscoring attempts (5 on target). I doubt we’d be as fortunate adopting the same tactics against Spurs, Arsenal and Man City, against whom I can’t realistically see us getting a point. When we concede first now, because we’ve become so toothless up front there’s a horrible feeling that it’s already game over.

It has to be said that the performance at Wolves was definitely an improvement on the previous 5 games (I can't recall the last time I cheered so loudly at the final whistle of a 0-0!), ironically with Kayal’s introduction to shore up the midfield being forced on CH c/o Propper’s early injury. But, we are where we are and pragmatism has to govern now. All that counts now are points and survival, not entertainment, as ugly/stressful as it is to watch, and CH will be overseeing that process (and will presumably be judged by TB on it come 12th May).

It’s all about Newcastle now, for which we simply have to step up a gear and find the courage and determination to chalk up three points. A win and we should be safe, unless Cardiff can grab 7 points from 9 in which case, frankly, they'd deserve to stay up. If we do somehow manage to squeeze out another 4 points then we’re safe unless Cardiff can win 3 out of 3, which seems unlikely.

If we do survive, you can be sure that will invoke yet another “CH in or out?” poll on NSC!

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I sense that a number of fans (even a lot of naysayers over CH's tactics) feel disloyal in criticising CH after all he’s done for the club (= a great deal in our most successful spell in decades), and that’s admirable. However, we are now in a nosedive which seemed unfathomable only a few months ago and CH has to assume his share of responsibility for the current situation. The stats are truly worrying; we haven’t scored a goal in 570 mins (…I almost forgot the extra time at Millwall!) and we’ve only had 7 shots on target in the last 6 games, including 0 at Wolves.

Although we doggedly earned a point there with some sterling defending and top-class goalkeeping, once again we gave away the ball too cheaply far too often and were mightily lucky that Wolves hit the woodwork twice, failed to capitalise on their 68% possession and were unable to convert any of their 23 goalscoring attempts (5 on target). I doubt we’d be as fortunate adopting the same tactics against Spurs, Arsenal and Man City, against whom I can’t realistically see us getting a point. When we concede first now, because we’ve become so toothless up front there’s a horrible feeling that it’s already game over.

It has to be said that the performance at Wolves was definitely an improvement on the previous 5 games (I can't recall the last time I cheered so loudly at the final whistle of a 0-0!), ironically with Kayal’s introduction to shore up the midfield being forced on CH c/o Propper’s early injury. But, we are where we are and pragmatism has to govern now. All that counts now are points and survival, not entertainment, as ugly/stressful as it is to watch, and CH will be overseeing that process (and will presumably be judged by TB on it come 12th May).

It’s all about Newcastle now, for which we simply have to step up a gear and find the courage and determination to chalk up three points. A win and we should be safe, unless Cardiff can grab 7 points from 9 in which case, frankly, they'd deserve to stay up. If we do somehow manage to squeeze out another 4 points then we’re safe unless Cardiff can win 3 out of 3, which seems unlikely.

If we do survive, you can be sure that will invoke yet another “CH in or out?” poll on NSC!

Good post. The polls on here for the past three games are like a whores draws, up and down. I just hope TB see's what so many see here, CH is past his sell by date. I love the bloke and what he has done, but it is time to find new blood.

 

[Triggaaar]

He tries to reduce the game to a 20 minute mini game. Plays a low block for 70 minutes then brings on some pace in attack once he feels the opposition are fatigued and less dangerous.

There are 2 problems with this.

The 1st is the quality in the Premier league is so good you are unlikely to keep them out for 70 minutes. But, if you can keep the score down, you can at least claim to have been in the game against a good side. This is one of Chris's favourite post match comments.

If his tactic is to do as you say, then that's because he feels it's our best chance of getting points, not so that he can say 'we were in the game'. It also doesn't match up with how we played earlier in the season.

The 2nd issue is that we pay to watch 90 minutes of football, to deliberately try to shut the game down every match is not on. It's no wonder a large number of us are open to change.

How many clubs are doing better than us, on our budget? It's none isn't it.

Sadly we're now competing against clubs backed by the world's multi-billionaires, and it's not easy, so successful attractive football isn't easy.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

If his tactic is to do as you say, then that's because he feels it's our best chance of getting points, not so that he can say 'we were in the game'. It also doesn't match up with how we played earlier in the season.

How many clubs are doing better than us, on our budget? It's none isn't it.

Sadly we're now competing against clubs backed by the world's multi-billionaires, and it's not easy, so successful attractive football isn't easy.

Would you lump the likes of Watford in there as the big spenders?

 

[Chicken Run]

I think it’s pretty obvious I wasn’t

You don’t say.....

 

[Triggaaar]

I sense that a number of fans (even a lot of naysayers over CH's tactics) feel disloyal in criticising CH after all he’s done for the club (= a great deal in our most successful spell in decades), and that’s admirable.

Ok.

However, we are now in a nosedive which seemed unfathomable only a few months ago

Except that for anyone who pays attention to the Premier League, it's not unfathomable at all. Teams in the bottom half string a couple of losses together all the time, and the job is to bounce back, but every single year some teams fail to, as we have. Games are generally close, and with a bit of poor play, poor decisions or plain bad luck, you're suddenly on the back of a bunch of defeats. That happens, and will continue to happen, but it doesn't suddenly mean that your manager, who used to understand the game, has suddenly become not good enough.

If Hughton wasn't good enough for us, I'd be fine with us moving on. Like some of the important players that got us promoted, thanks for all you've done, but it's time for a change. Except that there's no one else I'd like managing us (within the realms of managers who'd work with our budget etc) right now, or next season.

I guess had we been in Burnley's position in 2015/16, when they got relegated on 33 points (7 wins all season), many fans here would have wanted Dyche sacked. It would have been a bad decision, but you'd have all decided he was crap.

and CH has to assume his share of responsibility for the current situation.

Well yes of course, they all do. It's a team effort, and they share the praise/blame when we do well/poorly.

The stats are truly worrying; we haven’t scored a goal in 570 mins (…I almost forgot the extra time at Millwall!) and we’ve only had 7 shots on target in the last 6 games, including 0 at Wolves.

Yes, it is worrying, we might get relegated. But it's not because someone who was a good manager is now a bad one.

I doubt we’d be as fortunate adopting the same tactics against Spurs, Arsenal and Man City, against whom I can’t realistically see us getting a point.

Yes I agree. But then I can't see us getting anything from those games if we had another manager.

When we concede first now, because we’ve become so toothless up front there’s a horrible feeling that it’s already game over.

Yep.

All that counts now are points and survival, not entertainment, as ugly/stressful as it is to watch, and CH will be overseeing that process (and will presumably be judged by TB on it come 12th May).

Agreed.

 

[Triggaaar]

Good post. The polls on here for the past three games are like a whores draws, up and down. I just hope TB see's what so many see here, CH is past his sell by date. I love the bloke and what he has done, but it is time to find new blood.

Whereas I just hope TB sees what so many here don't, that football is a fickle bitch that bites you on the arse at every opportunity.

 

[Triggaaar]

Would you lump the likes of Watford in there as the big spenders?

They've spent a lot more than us, right?

 

[dazzer6666]

We haven't been more attacking though. That's just make believe from the happy clappers.

We’re creating literally nothing (look at our Xg numbers this season). We’re playing 451, with a bloody massive gap between the defensive midfield 5 and our ageing, isolated, painfully slow 1.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

They've spent a lot more than us, right?

Not enormously, and certainly no more than us in their first two seasons.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Would you lump the likes of Watford in there as the big spenders?

Watford are a good comparison, in 2017 they were in a similar position to us having spent similar amounts they finished 17th, sacked Walter Mazzarri and have since gone from strength to strength. They spend around £50m a season and their biggest purchase is £18.5m on Andre Gray.

The difference is they don't suffer from the same inferiority complex.

 

[peterward]

We want more attacking football, we’re too defensive.

We play more attacking and lose - we want a new manager!

Go back to defensive and build again in the summer.

As it stands I think Chris is doing well with the team/budget we have, it’s only with investing in the squad we will improve.

The first few years was always going to be about consolidating.


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Your above quote doesn't really make to much sense, I don't think for one second, CH has changed anything based on comments on NSC.or from fans, he did it for his own reasons.

It also doesnt take into account, that great unknown of if a different manager in the same circumstances would have exactly the same results or different, whose to say we couldn't attack, score a few and still survive?

Stains, were in a similar place that we are today, earlier in the season, defensive, lost and in freefall and they made the change to Hassenhutl. With pretty much the same playing squad, the same group of players are now playing a more attacking brand of football, they're winning more games and more points and have dug themselves out of trouble, Nathan Redmond is transformed. If they had stuck with Hughes, would the result be exactly the same as it is now?

Nobody can know for sure, but I'd bet most credit Hassenhutl for the change in fortune. Of course there's no guarantees that Hughton wont refind his mojo and have a Damascus road event or that Hassenhutl may implode, but watching from the sidelines the precipitous collapse and lack of an answer is worrying, that's compounded by what the Norwich fans said and the appearance of history repeating, and what you can read from a Norwich player to.

Personally I'd love nothing more than to see a true gent like CH break out of this ultra conservatism, clean sheet first, goals second mentality and continue to manage our club, but it looks to me like he's lost his way, and he's shackled and held prisoner by his own mindset. When the questions keep increasing and the answers don't, it's time to shake hands and move on. I truly hope to be proved wrong.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Watford are a good comparison, in 2017 they were in a similar position to us having spent similar amounts they finished 17th, sacked Walter Mazzarri and have since gone from strength to strength. They spend around £50m a season and their biggest purchase is £18.5m on Andre Gray.

The difference is they don't suffer from the same inferiority complex.

And that's another thing, although I don't advocate sacking a manager a season, they have managed to do that and stay in the Prem.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Personally I'd love nothing more than to see a true gent like CH break out of this ultra conservatism, clean sheet first, goals second mentality and continue to manage our club, but it looks to me like he's lost his way, and he's shackled and held prisoner by his own mindset. When the questions keep increasing and the answers don't, it's time to shake hands and move on. I truly hope to be proved wrong.

Absolutely agree and I'd personally give him a job for life if he had any idea how to win games. Sadly, very sadly, he doesn't.

 

[peterward]

And that's another thing, although I don't advocate sacking a manager a season, they have managed to do that and stay in the Prem.

not only do you need money to pay off the manager and all his staff, the new fella always wants different players...... I can see why it makes sense for TB not to go down that route, its expensive.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

not only do you need money to pay off the manager and all his staff, the new fella always wants different players...... I can see why it makes sense for TB not to go down that route, its expensive.

Just using comparisons on clubs around our size.