Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Palace beating Cardiff saved us
No, beating Palace twice, and getting the two extra points against Newcastle and Arsenal saved us. Do you really support us?
Palace beating Cardiff saved us
We fluked three wins in a row in October . .
No, beating Palace twice, and getting the two extra points against Newcastle and Arsenal saved us. Do you really support us?
this is repeated again and again on here. There's plenty to criticise Hughton for (although i think sacking him is short sighted) but to not give him or the players credit for these wins is unjustified and illogical. Were the multiple draws , narrow defeats flukes as well ?
Palace beating Cardiff saved us
No, beating Palace twice, and getting the two extra points against Newcastle and Arsenal saved us. Do you really support us?
We did get the results to get over the line. The draws with Newcastle and Arsenal saved us.
this is repeated again and again on here. There's plenty to criticise Hughton for (although i think sacking him is short sighted) but to not give him or the players credit for these wins is unjustified and illogical. Were the multiple draws , narrow defeats flukes as well ?
To be fair, I think there is a valid point there.
In that we stayed up, but could have gone down, decided by one other result which we had no control over at all. It's difficult to feel that Houghten and the teams performances could both have "kept us up" or "sent us down" without changing anything we did under either set of circumstances.
I suppose you could always argue that a different result here or there would have meant a different outcome, but at the very least it was way too close for comfort this season. We stayed up, but we had to depend as much on luck and other results as we did on our own performances, and that for me means we neither earned safety nor relegation, all we earned was the right to hope for the best. We got lucky this season, and we don't want to depend on luck to keep us up, because luck being in or out can never be relied upon. That's how luck works. Nobody understands that better than Tony.
4.5 years in the job and the first 3.5 were great, we couldn’t have asked for any more. He excelled himself and will always have my respect for that.
However, the facts do not lie and this season (the whole season, not just the second half like some would have you believe) has been abysmal. We fluked three wins in a row in October that gave us a false sense of safety, but the reality is we’ve been truly hopeless for a long time. We can’t score, we can’t attack, we’ve got no pace, we move the ball slowly, we are cautious and timid, we show too much respect to opponents, we have won four away games out of the last 40, we only make subs at 70 minutes. Most worryingly of all, he’s done nothing to combat the critical issues even a layman like me can see occurring throughout the season. He appears to me to be a manager with his head in the sand. It’s absolutely woeful stuff and completely untenable at this level. I could go on but most of all, I’m just bored of my team being so spineless, defensive and dull.
Finally, the inevitable came in recent months as our home form fell apart. Hughton had been boring his way to enough points at the Amex to keep the more blinkered fans on side but finally the players couldn’t cope with such a mentally and physically draining style any longer. You just can’t lose 5-0 at home to Bournemouth, a team that had just lost nine consecutive away games. You can’t lose to Southampton, Burnley and Cardiff with barely a shot on goal.
Hughton has actually been a dead man walking for a long time. I called it in 2018 after the Leicester game. Losing a 60 minute match at home to ten men because we sat on the edge of our own box and failed to lay a glove on them was embarrassing at Premier League level. I don’t think any other manager in this division would have done what he did that day. There have been countless other opportunities missed this season, going all the way back to Fulham and Southampton in the first month, as a direct result of the manager’s approach. So regrettably, he had to go and he should have gone months ago.
His name is Hughton. At least give him the dignity of getting his name right.
We have been very 'lucky' in the last 4 and a half years.
Already heard, indirectly, from one player who had no clue it was coming.
Mental.
The more I think about it I cant help feeling the “teams at our level” mantra repeated by CH in almost every interview for weeks has been his “glass ceiling” moment. It was pretty much his admission that this was as good as it gets.
Time will tell if he was correct.
Seriously? Were you at the games?
v West Ham - Possession 35%-65% Shots for 9 (On Target 4), Shots against 17
v Newcastle - Possession 32%-68% Shots for 8 (On Target 2), Shots against 27
v Wolves - Possession 40%-60% Shots for 7 (On Target 1), Shots against 25
Stats don't tell everything, but I was at both those home games against West Ham and Wolves, and nobody could have complained if we had been on the wrong end of a 1-2, 1-3 scoreline. I don't think anybody should kid themselves that we were where we deserved to be after those games.
Man United and Palace at home are the only times this season that we have genuinely played well - possibly Arsenal when we were already safe. Otherwise, most of this season has been a turgid, painful, horrible, funless grind.
Some of the players may have heard it but were too p*ssed to remember.
Palace beating Cardiff saved us
4.5 years in the job and the first 3.5 were great, we couldn’t have asked for any more. He excelled himself and will always have my respect for that.
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