[Drinking] Children in pubs

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Am I the only one who reads mumsnet and tries to picture what the posters look like based on their terminology and opinions?

I try and avoid doing that with NSC. The resulting image in my head is rarely something I like to dwell on.

 

[ROSM]

I try and avoid doing that with NSC. The resulting image in my head is rarely something I like to dwell on.

I know what you mean. I thought Dwayne was a 250lbs muscled/hench black person from the upper bronx

Largely because that was what he said he was mind

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

Obviously if it was a Brewers Fayre type of happy families pub/ cheapo restaurant I would expect to see kids charging about in there. .

Why? As you know myself (and Mrs PWK to a lesser extent) like a drink and also I’ll never claim to be father of the year, but when the boy was little we’d go to places with a high chair and he could do his colouring or a bit lego or whatever and occasionally I’d step away from my busy schedule of getting half cut and give him a bit of attention (I would also clean up any peas etc he’d dropped on the floor as I don’t see that as the staff’s job)
This early introduction to pub life meant when he was about five or six we could go to ‘nicer places’ safe in the knowledge that we could spend a hour in there without him pissing the drinkers off in any way.
It wasn’t difficult

 

[TugWilson]

On the contrary, every post on this thread is complaining about children behaving badly in shared public places and their noisy intrusive behaviour upsetting those who want to sit and chill. No reasonable person objects to kids sitting reasonably quietly at a table eating with the grown ups. The problem really with many pubs is that since the tough drinking and driving laws were brought in, they have morphed into restaurants/eateries to stay profitable so attract a non-drinking clientele now.

A minority of parents these days, it seems, have weaponised their kids to dominate and disrupt whatever public space they are in as a projection of their own selfish and passive aggressive desire to control the space around them.

I love kids and have absolutely no problem with children in pubs or other public social environments (in fact adults behave better when children are around) as long as when are they are, they aren’t engaged in behaviour that is intrusive ie running all over the place and at a volume 100dBs.

The UK has one of the worst diets in Europe for processed foods and unhealthy food consumption in children which as has been touched on above, impacts on their behaviour - children in the UK, unlike children in continental Europe also don’t typically eat an evening meal with the parents - it is very usual in Europe to see kids out with their parents having their evening meal in a restaurant/bar and being well behaved while doing so. Therefore, it is not a novelty or ‘big occasion’ so kids are much less likely to be overly excited about an ‘outing’ to the local eatery/bar. In Southern Europe particularly kids are used to staying up later in the evening because of the culture of afternoon siestas.

My father used to love Crete and it`s people , he often talked about enjoying the relaxed family meal in a restaurant of an evening with all ages present , something that use to drive him nuts in England for the very reasons you make .

 

[BN9 BHA]

Why? As you know myself (and Mrs PWK to a lesser extent) like a drink and also I’ll never claim to be father of the year, but when the boy was little we’d go to places with a high chair and he could do his colouring or a bit lego or whatever and occasionally I’d step away from my busy schedule of getting half cut and give him a bit of attention (I would also clean up any peas etc he’d dropped on the floor as I don’t see that as the staff’s job)
This early introduction to pub life meant when he was about five or six we could go to ‘nicer places’ safe in the knowledge that we could spend a hour in there without him pissing the drinkers off in any way.
It wasn’t difficult

Sorry mate I’m on holiday today and just got up and not fully awake yet.
Can you just confirm if you are replying to all of my post with yours or just the second part please?
Slightly confused here or missing point.

 

[Justice]

Sorry mate I’m on holiday today and just got up and not fully awake yet.
Can you just confirm if you are replying to all of my post with yours or just the second part please?
Slightly confused here or missing point.

Somewhere nice?

 

[BN9 BHA]

Recently in a chain pub i use now and then i witnessed just about the most annoying display of selfish bas****ism imaginable . This family of knuckle dragging chavs had pushed several tables together not bothering to leave enough room for staff or other customers to get through . Then with their mini me`s of varying ages each with their own individual talent for noise or destruction came the highlight of their disgusting act . As others around them were trying to eat their meals this happy couple with their latest creation decided that we all just had to witness them change this child`s sh1tty nappy on the table and feel privileged to share the toxic smell that came with it . At this time several members of staff could do no more than just stare in horror , this ****ing pig ignorant bunch of trailer trash inbreds then stayed a further hour despite many overheard comments from other patrons .

So kids in pubs , absolutely NO unless they`re on the ****ing MENU !

Where was this?

 

[BN9 BHA]

Somewhere nice?

No mate I always go somewhere shit, I hate nice places

Just a short break really, I’m in Rye.

 

[TugWilson]

Sounds like you're labelling kids that are just being kids are "behaving badly" and being "noisy and intrusive" in your opinion, and one that seems to be widely shared by other British people. The idea that people "weaponise their kids to disrupt public space" is just insane. You are an absolute first rate mate.

I'm glad my kids get to spend a large portion of their childhood abroad and not in the vicinity of people like you.

You're going back on ignore. The only reason I took you off ignore is that you started the initial Fabian Hurzeler thread and it was hard to follow the news with your threads not appearing on the main board.

" I`m glad my kids get to spend a large portion of their childhood abroad "

So are we , can you please (if not already done) put me on ignore

 

[TugWilson]

Where was this?

Weymouth , the most annoying part of this wasn`t so much their behaviour it was the fact that the staff there are such nice patient people doing a very hard job during the "grockle" season . Last thing they needed on that particularly busy day , i still avoid that section of tables like the plague .

 

[Justice]

No mate I always go somewhere shit, I hate nice places

Just a short break really, I’m in Rye.

Never been, enjoy

 

[crabface]

Sounds like you're labelling kids that are just being kids are "behaving badly" and being "noisy and intrusive" in your opinion, and one that seems to be widely shared by other British people. The idea that people "weaponise their kids to disrupt public space" is just insane. You are an absolute first rate mate.

I'm glad my kids get to spend a large portion of their childhood abroad and not in the vicinity of people like you.

You're going back on ignore. The only reason I took you off ignore is that you started the initial Fabian Hurzeler thread and it was hard to follow the news with your threads not appearing on the main board.

Think we have found a person that can't control their kids in a pub.

 

[Zeberdi]

My father used to love Crete and it`s people , he often talked about enjoying the relaxed family meal in a restaurant of an evening with all ages present , something that use to drive him nuts in England for the very reasons you make .

Yes, this exactly. It was one of the things about the Med I loved as a kid - our parents did the same with us - we had long evening meals as a family often al fresco and allowed half a glass of wine. We were really well behaved as kids (when we weren’t all sitting in the back of a car or at school ).

Wonderful mediterranean way of life.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Well behaved children are a rarity and of course it's down to the parents.

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

Sorry mate I’m on holiday today and just got up and not fully awake yet.
Can you just confirm if you are replying to all of my post with yours or just the second part please?
Slightly confused here or missing point.

It was the bit where you EXPECT kids to be running round a Brewers Fayre etc (However on reflection if it’s got a Charlie Chalk’s I suppose they are gonna run back to the table)

Anyway enjoy your hols

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Why? As you know myself (and Mrs PWK to a lesser extent) like a drink and also I’ll never claim to be father of the year, but when the boy was little we’d go to places with a high chair and he could do his colouring or a bit lego or whatever and occasionally I’d step away from my busy schedule of getting half cut and give him a bit of attention (I would also clean up any peas etc he’d dropped on the floor as I don’t see that as the staff’s job)
This early introduction to pub life meant when he was about five or six we could go to ‘nicer places’ safe in the knowledge that we could spend a hour in there without him pissing the drinkers off in any way.
It wasn’t difficult

Very well put. With ex-Mrs T, 30-35 years ago, we trained the kids to behave (they were good as gold anyway to be fair) and the occasional pub meal was undertaken with decorous decorum.

A far cry from the sorts who let their kids scream and careen about the place while they chain-smoked, shouting at one another and screaming at the kids. Luckily the landlady at the Albion was not shy to dish out bans.

 

[Arthur]

In my experience, kids are like dogs. The owner is almost always the problem.

This is absolutely spot on. But I think it's parents that are becoming worse than dog owners these days.

I very nearly didn't bother last night because last year on halloween the pub was full of kids loaded up to the eyeballs with sugar making a racket. Glad I did as it was actually very good last night. Only two groups in and the kids were well behaved, sat at the table with their parents, didn't keep running about or up to the bar.

My local is in a nice part of the world so the patrons are quite well healed. That Micky Flanagan sketch could have been written about my local.

I've no problem with kids or dogs being in pubs as long as they are well behaved. I take one of my dogs Monday to Wednesday. The other is a puppy and like a kid gets bored and acts up so he doesn't go. I don't take Coco Thursday to Sunday because I sit at the bar and it's not appropriate IMO to have a dog taking up space at the bar when it's busier. Plus I'm constantly on edge worried that someone is going to step on her. They also sell food Thursday to Sunday and I appreciate not everyone wants to be eating around animals.

 

[Braggfan]

I used to drink in a pub that had a dartboard in a separate room. We'd be in their playing darts and some parents would dumps kids in there, turn the tv on and go get drunk in the other room. It used to drive me up the wall, just very lazy parenting. I don't mind kids if there sat there with the parents behaving, and I don't blame them when they're not. I blame the parents for not considering other people in the pub.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Just had a post drinks evening out with two colleagues from work in Poets Cornet in Hove. I get that pubs need to cater for all needs and I have no issue with children in pubs normally , but when did Halloween become an excuse for a night out for groups of 10/12 people with 4/5 year olds in pubs shouting the place down until 9pm?

Try writing a feedback email to the owners. A post on NSC won’t help!

 

[Arthur]

Try writing a feedback email to the owners. A post on NSC won’t help!

Because having a Free Palestine avatar is really helping the kids in Gaza at the moment.