children in poverty

[Thunder Bolt]

and you got a mortgage and credit did you, and how recent

You didn't ask when, just if I was renting, both low paid and got a mortgage. It took 6 years to save up for a deposit.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

Oh, do get off your high horse, you pompous fool. You want prejudice and ignorance? How about this week's cover of the left-wing rag of choice, the New Statesman. And people claim that conservatives are living in the past. I'd be ashamed if the Spectator ran that patronising headline that belongs in the 70s.

Looks like you're trying to derail the thread, but i'll bite.

Have you read the article and it's conclusions? I haven't, but i see it's written by a woman, perhaps it gives a female perspective on this real issue for women.

Before getting offended on other people's behalf, perhaps you could analyze whether this really is offensive to them?
Good try though, keep it up.

 

[wellquickwoody]

two thirds of the children in poverty in this country are from working familes
and this is the 4th richest country in the world
and its all about to get worse
can anyone who voted tory explain this to me
SENSIBLY ..................................with out the binfest please

Easy, the definition of poverty is incorrect. People with cars, flat screen TV's, and games consoles and a mobile for each person in the household are not living in poverty.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

You're wrong. The calculation of poverty is being redefined. I therefore expect things to "improve."

Exactly , when the criteria is reformulated the new figures will show that child poverty has near enough been eradicated. The current calculation is flawed according to the Tories because the triple lock on state pensions is skewing the figures in the wrong direction.

 

[Buzzer]

Looks like you're trying to derail the thread, but i'll bite.

Have you read the article and it's conclusions? I haven't, but i see it's written by a woman, perhaps it gives a female perspective on this real issue for women.

Before getting offended on other people's behalf, perhaps you could analyze whether this really is offensive to them?
Good try though, keep it up.

Hmm..so if I find something ignorant I'm automatically offended? Strange analysis there because by rights I should therefore be offended by most of whatever you've posted on here but I'm not. Sorry about that.

Yes, I did read the article, as it happens - it's why I linked to it (funny that). It's patriarchal. "We need more mothers in politics" Really? And here I was thinking that sexual equality was about escaping the mindtrap of traditional roles for men and women and treating both on their abilities regardless of gender. A bit of analysis on whether women politicians find it offensive: Nicola Sturgeon (SNP) did, Ruth Davdison (Tory) did, Humza Yousef (SNP) did. Kirsty Williams (Lib Dem) did. Hope that helps.

 

[Murray 17]

Moving away from the definition of poverty, it strikes me that a fair amount of people who would probably be defined as being in poverty seem to have the latest mobile phones and a healthy social life. My parents were never in poverty, but were very careful with their money until they could afford what they would consider 'treats and luxuries'.

 

[Hastings gull]

Yep dirty Tories have redefined child poverty so their March on the poor can continue unabated. Those of you who voted this fascist government in should hang your heads in shame. Hang your bloody heads.

Why do you always seem to have this need to put so many of your posts in such extreme language?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Yep dirty Tories have redefined child poverty so their March on the poor can continue unabated. Those of you who voted this fascist government in should hang your heads in shame. Hang your bloody heads.

The left really are coming across as utterly pathetic with accusations like this, 'fascists', really? You need to look at what the sensible left are realising, Labour lost the last election because they have lost the middle ground, you keep going further left all you like, you will not see power for another 20 years if you carry on.

And with these laughable fascist insults Nibble, you just make yourself look stupid. What happened in the past fella? Did you get thrown out of the Communist party for being too far left?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Easy, the definition of poverty is incorrect. People with cars, flat screen TV's, and games consoles and a mobile for each person in the household are not living in poverty.

There is being poor and then there is living in poverty. Poverty for me is when you have someone living on the street begging, with no shelter. Those are the people I feel sorry for. They should get all the help they need.

Poor is not being able afford your bills, and your right having a Car, Console and/or Mobile Phone is a luxury and does not mean you are living in poverty.

 

[Rookie]

any poverty is wrong in a country as rich as we are, or are we living in the third world

But what are you defining poverty as?

 

[El Presidente]

It's time for a new order in this country.

Bit extreme Basher but each to their own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

 

[skipper734]

http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/files/jrf/poverty-definitions.pdf

Here is The Joseph Rowntrees Trust definition of poverty.

 

[Nibble]

The left really are coming across as utterly pathetic with accusations like this, 'fascists', really? You need to look at what the sensible left are realising, Labour lost the last election because they have lost the middle ground, you keep going further left all you like, you will not see power for another 20 years if you carry on.

And with these laughable fascist insults Nibble, you just make yourself look stupid. What happened in the past fella? Did you get thrown out of the Communist party for being too far left?

You just wait and see what the filthy Tory's have in store for us all. Fascism doesn't always march down the street in jackboots my friend.

 

[El Presidente]

Easy, the definition of poverty is incorrect. People with cars, flat screen TV's, and games consoles and a mobile for each person in the household are not living in poverty.

I'd rather live in Poverty than Croydon Woodster.

 

[Hastings gull]

Of course those in poverty could sell their possessions - and often they do exactly that out of desperation - but what then? It is a short-term solution which will not pull them out of poverty, it will only reduce their quality of lives even further.

Also remember that modern consumer items are very affordable - those items you mentioned can all be purchased for less than the cost of a weekly shop - but that's not to say those who possess them earn enough to pay their bills and put the food on the table every month. I would like you to imagine what it's like to have just £10 a day disposable income, then you have the misfortune of an unexpected bill you cannot afford - sorry kids, Dad can't afford dinner tonight.
Poverty is of course relative - but why is it useful, considering the wealth in the world (and particularly in Britain), to lower the poverty line to 18th century standards? ALL working people in Britain could and should be living comfortably in the 21st century.

But it also begs the question as to why they only have £10.00 a day disposable income, assuming that you have not take this figure from the clouds. I was at a school last week when I heard that the school had bought child some shoes only to discover the parent came in to show off trainers that cost £200.00.( I ask you to accept this as the truth, and not made up to make a point) Or perhaps that is what trainers cost in the 18th century . .How much is poverty caused by a lack of personal responsibility?

 

[Diablo]

ALL working people in Britain could and should be living comfortably in the 21st century.

And it should be paid for by ?

1. Them bettering themselves...Surely the correct option.

2. More Benefits...probably the option prefered by you.

I believe our national debt is approx 5% of GDP ..would you wish to increase that...I believe debt interest at moment 35ish billion....Yes I`d like another £100 week but am realistic enough to realize that borrowing more/increasing benefits is not the way to go.

 

[Nibble]

There is being poor and then there is living in poverty. Poverty for me is when you have someone living on the street begging, with no shelter. Those are the people I feel sorry for. They should get all the help they need.

Poor is not being able afford your bills, and your right having a Car, Console and/or Mobile Phone is a luxury and does not mean you are living in poverty.

While I see your point and agree to some extent I do think you are a little out of touch. Not having a mobile, a computer or a car can seriously put one at a disadvantage in this day and age. Does not having them mean you are living in poverty? Debatable. It certainly means you would reach poverty quicker as these are some of the most vital tools for finding work.

 

[Hastings gull]

I'm afraid enough people in this country have stopped caring about other people less fortunate than themselves, the last election results showed that. People can try and justify a Tory vote all they like but they all know they only voted for their own interests. The Conservative plan of making it a one issue election (master minded by Lynton Crosby) worked a treat on the intellectually disadvantaged.

What utter nonsense matched only by its breath-taking arrogance. Millions of folk in this country care for others and collections after disasters often tally in millions. The number Governors in schools runs into hundreds of thousands, all of whom are volunteers giving up much free time, to make a difference to children. This is just one example. What an untrue and sweeping statement.
I think your statement about the "intellectually disadvantaged" must be the irony of the year!

 

[BLOCK F]

I'm afraid enough people in this country have stopped caring about other people less fortunate than themselves, the last election results showed that. People can try and justify a Tory vote all they like but they all know they only voted for their own interests. The Conservative plan of making it a one issue election (master minded by Lynton Crosby) worked a treat on the intellectually disadvantaged.

What utter cock,HH. People voted Tory because Milliband was far from being PM material and was too far to the Left.
There was also the small matter of not trusting them with the economy.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

Yes, I did read the article, as it happens - it's why I linked to it (funny that). It's patriarchal. "We need more mothers in politics" Really? And here I was thinking that sexual equality was about escaping the mindtrap of traditional roles for men and women and treating both on their abilities regardless of gender

I'll go read it, sounds interesting.
Is wanting more mothers in politics patriarchal? Sounds like the opposite, although granted, defining women by their capacity to carry children is.